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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 08 Sep 2008, 05:54 • #1 
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It was because of this rod that I found this great forum. I've had a few photos of this rod on the forum when I was trying to get some information about it, but I thought I'd add some details for the Rod Pictures section. Fortunately, Larry Kenney saw my post and filled in a lot of details about the rod. It is one of Harry Wilson's basement rods built prior to Scott's incorporation. Larry called this model "the Holly Grail of Scott rods". I think it's to Scott's credit that they continues to use Mr. Wilson's original grip/reel seat design on their G2 and Fibertouch rods some thirty-four years later.
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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 08 Sep 2008, 06:25 • #2 
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Thanks for sharing that one, just amazing.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 08 Sep 2008, 07:04 • #3 
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I'm drooling.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 08 Sep 2008, 11:31 • #4 
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While photographing the rod I thought of another question that I had forgotten to ask Larry Kenney. Larry said that when they began Scott Rod in 1974, they started with serial number 1000. I wonder what serial number Harry Wilson started with when he began to build these rods in his basement shop? I think Larry said this rod was probably built in 1973 and I am thinking that it might be difficult to turn out 533 rods on a part time basis in a year or so. I wonder then if he started with serial number 500 which would mean that this rod is the 33rd rod built? Does anybody out there have a glass Scott with a serial number below 500?


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 08 Sep 2008, 12:38 • #5 
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What a great looking rod! I wish I could just lawn cast it for 20 minutes.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 08 Sep 2008, 12:44 • #6 
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takes your breath away


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 08 Sep 2008, 13:45 • #7 
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that taper from the grip to the reel seat is elegant. Heck the entire rod is a gem.
Sure would like to find one of these rods at a garage sale. sure.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 09 Sep 2008, 22:31 • #8 
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Duff ... have you fished this beautiful fly rod? I certainly would ... being careful of course.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 10 Sep 2008, 01:41 • #9 
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Cameron, I haven't. It's one of those rods of which I feel like I'm just a custodian. I know it's not a Garrison or Payne or anything like that, but to me it's a piece of Scott history that should be preserved. That's probably crazy but I'm an admitted "Scott nut" and so I'm sure I value it more than most. I've wanted one for a long time and finally ran into it a few years ago in an out of the way fly shop in Montana. It certainly wasn't free but a real deal considering what the last one went for on Ebay to I think a Japanese buyer and that one may have been a production rod built after Scott incorporated.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 10 Sep 2008, 10:34 • #10 
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Duff ... this might fall on deaf ears ... but I'd fish that fly rod. I'd maybe just use it a few times ... but I would create a few on stream memories with that fly rod. Maybe fish it with a white glove?


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 10 Sep 2008, 12:30 • #11 
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Huh? Can't hear you. No, Cameron, seriously I think you're right. I'm going to fish that thing - well, a little bit. Where do you get those white museum gloves? Image


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 11 Sep 2008, 14:25 • #12 
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I had an unfished flyrod and couldn't handle it! After 5 years in the closet, I fished it. Just for the morning though ... As I went to hand it to someone to look at, I dropped it! Nicked up the seat and finish. It's now a fishing rod! Cost myself a nice profit, but bought myself a nice rod.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 12 Sep 2008, 06:44 • #13 
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Hi Duff,

For what it is worth, and in regards to your serial number question, I have the twin brother to your rod, and it has serial #570-528 on it. I also have two of the spin/fly models with the serial numbers of S570-1018 and S570-1305 respectively. My guess is that the serial numbers started at 500, but Larry would know more about that than anyone else.
Congratulations, you have a very beautiful rod there.
Ward


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 12 Aug 2018, 12:29 • #14 
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Hello there I have just seen this post about the Scot rod and seen it’s the same one as I have and was looking for some info on the rod and to see what the value might be


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 12 Aug 2018, 13:03 • #15 
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Duff's question about early Scott serial numbers is interesting, but I'm afraid I have no definitive answer. I met Harry in 1971 when he was building rods in the back room of the old T&S Tackle Shop on Valencia St. in San Francisco. He was using stock blanks built by Lamiglas at that time and the rod serial numbers I've seen on those rods were preceded by an "A". I have a copy of a letter to him dated April 4, 1972 ordering a 9 weight glass steelhead rod and it's numbered A-112. I doubt he'd built 112 rods by then, though he'd certainly built more than 12. He dropped the A designation when he switched to blanks built rolled by California Tackle to his design on mandrels of his design. That was also in 1972, I think. He was selling Cal Tackle rolled rods to Eddie Bauer in 1972-73 when I worked there and I wrapped some rods for him in return for an F79, numbered 493. But there's no way he'd have built hundreds of rods in his basement between 1972 and early 1974. What the early numbers were is lost in the mists of time, though Scott may have the old serial number registry binders which might provide some useful information. We did start with 1000 when I went to work with him in late 1974. And I still have #A112 and #493.


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 20 Aug 2018, 17:34 • #16 
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Larry,

Many, many years ago a good old yankee by the name of sumner Stowe, aka stowey managed the Fly Rod Shop in Stowe Vermont, right across the road from the original REC and Diamondback plant. I was a young, eager learner and visited him often to cast rods on the casting pond. I had never cast glass before and one day he came out with a big smile on his face and a yellow F79 and said “I traded three of my bamboo rods for this”. It was a build with the little fighting butt. One of the nicest casting rods I have ever cast, and the rod that got me interested in glass. Perhaps there could be two holy grails. I still have the F81 you refurbished for me. I fish it when the landlocks are in the Clyde.

Thank you for participating here.

Rich


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 21 Aug 2018, 09:46 • #17 
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I too love yellow Scott rods...

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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 21 Aug 2018, 17:55 • #18 
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The Fly Rod Shop in Stowe was one of Scott's early dealers, and one of the early few outside the west.
I have good memories of those days.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 22 Aug 2018, 11:43 • #19 
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Larry, how different were the blanks produced by Lamiglas vs those made by Cal Tackle? The model #’s seem to be similar though it’s nice that the serial numbers preceded by an A signify Lamiglas made blanks. Did they cast and fish similarly too? Were the Lamiglas blanks made to order or were they stock for Lamiglas? If so, did Harry create new tapers for Cal Tackle. Did he then own the mandrels?


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 22 Aug 2018, 15:34 • #20 
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Harry was using stock Lamiglas blanks when I met him. I know nothing about the actual tapers of those mandrels, or their model numbers, other than they made up into decent fly rods. But Harry didn’t like working with Lami, wanted lighter and more responsive tip sections and was distrustful of sanding which he saw as an uncontrollable variable. The new mandrels were his own and Scott owned them. I recall Harry working with a slide rule to calculate diameters and comparative number of turns of material at given points in designing new mandrels and the glass patterns to roll on them. All of Scott's 3, 4 and 5 weight models by California Tackle were rolled on a compound taper tip mandrel of Harry's design. 6 and 7 weights were rolled on a larger diameter straight taper of his design. We did even an larger diameter taper for 9-11 weights, but I never thought it produced rods as good as the light and mid weight models. Our Cal Tackle e-glass blanks (and I believe those rolled by Lamiglas) used polyester resins which were a bit softer than the phenolic resin blanks used by Fisher/Winston/Hardy. None of the resins were as good or as tough as contemporary enhanced epoxy resins. But Cal Tackle used a specific shrink tape on all their products which went on with more tension than other tapes, resulting in a denser and more durable blank, though the shrink tape footprint wasn’t as neat as with lighter tension tapes. Our blanks were just lightly run through the sander, leaving some of the footprint, and then dipped in a semigloss finish.


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SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 22 Aug 2018, 18:42 • #21 
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As always, very interesting. Thanks, Larry! You’ve confirmed some of my thoughts and suspicions.


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 22 Aug 2018, 21:41 • #22 
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Thank you ,very informative........aurelio


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 22 Aug 2018, 22:24 • #23 
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Thank you for the explanation; it added significantly to my understanding of blank-making materials and processes. Access to the knowledge of experts such as you, is one of the excellent benefits of FFR.


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 13 Sep 2018, 01:40 • #24 
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Great history lesson, thanks for sharing!


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Re: SCOTT F70/5 (Yellow)
Post 04 Jan 2019, 18:25 • #25 
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Wonderful condition this rod!


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