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Post 13 Feb 2021, 21:35 • #1 
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Hey guys,
Went into a fly shop that was selling Thomas & Thomas rods and I noticed the stripping guides were “backwards”. The guys at shop laughed and said they all thought the same thing when they saw it, however there was in fact some “science” behind the reasoning. Does anyone know exactly why, they wrap the guides in this fashion?


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Post 13 Feb 2021, 22:25 • #2 
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I can't quite picture this, can you explain?? I'm easily confused nowdays.....


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Post 13 Feb 2021, 23:01 • #3 
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I hope this explains it


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Post 14 Feb 2021, 00:07 • #4 
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I believe T&T has done that for a long time, short version is the line is supposed to pass through the guide better, less chance of a tangle around the guide when shooting line.
To me it looks better too, with out the double legs "blocking" the guide, not enough better that I'd flip one around on a finished rod but I like the clean ring enough that if I ever build another rod I'd set it that way.


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Post 14 Feb 2021, 06:59 • #5 
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It's a marketing gimmick, we' re talking about it, right.


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Post 14 Feb 2021, 09:47 • #6 
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I guess that all makes sense. So they claim the line shoots through the “flat side” of the guide as opposed side with the guide feet exposed. Interesting, I was just curious. I don’t for see myself doing that on any of my future builds though. Thanks for the info


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Post 14 Feb 2021, 17:30 • #7 
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The gist of the explanation that I've read is that a loop (I think they meant bight) of line can ride up the double leg and go over the guide causing a jam. I know that on some rods on cold days I do get loops around that guide. I'm never watching it happen though and don't know the cause of it.
I'd say two legs toward the grip is just as much a "gimmick" as two legs away from the grip is. I've never read an explanation of why we should put two legs towards the grip, other than "it's just the right way".


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Post 14 Feb 2021, 19:16 • #8 
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Whatever floats yer boat as they say.


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Post 17 Feb 2021, 21:21 • #9 
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I follow Graywolf on instagram, as I'm sure many here do (because he's a wizard...) and I can't be 100% sure, but I think he posted pictures of a rod today that had the stripping guide oriented the same way as the T&T described above. I'll bet I only noticed it because I had read this thread earlier in the day. I'm going to keep a closer eye out for this from now on, and see if other rod builders do it. And, since I'm just about to wrap the stripping guide on the build I'm working on, I might just do it that way. I mean, if it's good enough for Graywolf (and Thomas & Thomas)...


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Post 18 Feb 2021, 09:05 • #10 
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I guarantee I can tangle a line around a guide no matter which direction it is facing.


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Post 19 Feb 2021, 08:46 • #11 
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I repaired a streamer rod for my brother two years ago and accidentally put the stripper on “backward.” Two years later he still hasn’t noticed. Rod still casts, line still tangles, it’s all good.


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Post 20 Feb 2021, 12:45 • #12 
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never put one on backwards, perhaps i always do :lol


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Post 20 Feb 2021, 12:50 • #13 
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Well played, I was wondering how long it was going to take for someone to post a pic of a “backward” snake guide.


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Post 11 Mar 2021, 21:26 • #14 
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I like these, though the REC one above looks really cool:
https://store5327129.ecwid.com/#!/PACIFIC-BAY-TIGREY-FRAME-GUIDE-WITH-SIC-RING-MODEL-CNSG/p/39755619/category=10453106


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Post 12 Mar 2021, 08:33 • #15 
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The snake guide is the original anti-tangle guide. As for the backwards stripper I can see how it helps with a spinning rod setup the most, for a fly rod I doubt it helps much or hurts either.


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Post 15 Mar 2021, 12:49 • #16 
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It is my understanding that these "backward" guides are specially adapted for use south of the Equator.


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Post 15 Mar 2021, 16:53 • #17 
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Remember when Doug "The Bass Professor" Hannon (RIP) did some high-speed movie study of the way line flows through rod guides and subsequently invented the MicroWave line guides?

Even though he provided what seemed like solid proof that they were more effective than standard type guides, they never caught on. I think they are still offered though.


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Post 16 Mar 2021, 16:07 • #18 
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the MicroWave guides are still very much a thing, readily available at Mudhole etc.
Similar studies were done by Fuji a few years back, resulting in the Fuji Concept system. This for spin rods is a large diameter first guide high off the rod, then a very quick drop in size and height, to a large number of identical tiny guides that look like fly rod guides. I have an ultralight Shimano rod with this configuration, but it does not outcast my steam-powered old rods with standard guides.. I suspect it could make a difference in heavier rods and lines.


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Post 18 Mar 2021, 11:23 • #19 
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Golfswithwolves wrote:
It is my understanding that these "backward" guides are specially adapted for use south of the Equator.


:lol


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Post 18 Mar 2021, 12:16 • #20 
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eastprong wrote:

I use the bright chrome version of the Pac Bay guides on all of my rods (I make cane rods) and don't worry about their orientation, of course. That brings me to my question. What decides whether a stripper is on backwards or forwards? Perhaps ignorance is truly bliss.

Tim


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Post 18 Mar 2021, 13:18 • #21 
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You could cast one for hours with a reversed stripping guide and you may or may not notice a difference. You’ll forget about it within 5 seconds of fishing.


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Post 18 Mar 2021, 16:16 • #22 
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I have an older T&T graphite (Paradigm 2-piece). After reading this post, I checked it to confirm the "backward" stripper guide.

I'm going to ask for my money back!

:)


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