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Post 29 Dec 2019, 15:22 • #51 
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This chapter is titled "One Step Forward, Two Steps Back."

Yesterday I made a 5.25" grip, reamed it and glued it to the blank. Then I taped on 8 guides and did some casting. I was underwhelmed. The rod felt heavy, tippy, noodly, sloppy. So I put it away and came back to it after running a few errands for the boss.

After wiggling and jiggling, moving my grip position up the blank, fooling with guide placement and casting trials, I decided that the blank might respond to a trim. I trimmed the top, and the butt, ending up with two equal sections measuring 6'8" joined. I replaced the tip top and carved 2" off the grip to accept the reel seat. I am going to salvage what's left of the grip (about 3") and will add cork rings to it to make a +/- 5" grip. Then I'll redo guides placement & casting.



Stay tuned for more fun with winter builds.


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Post 29 Dec 2019, 18:25 • #52 
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Nothing ventured. Nothing gained.

Now I feeling bad about sending you a maybe stinker blank.
BTW. Thanks for the flies.


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Post 29 Dec 2019, 19:41 • #53 
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No! Not meant to be a diss at all! I am having fun with this and i am excited about finishing it out. The trimmed blank seems to be a little snappier and more responsive. It's all good Gary! Glad you like the flies:-)


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Post 30 Dec 2019, 01:30 • #54 
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Digging into the Lamiglas. Great little blank - SFL844M
Going to fully strip and rebuild.
A couple before shots...




Some late night cork stripping.


Will try to pull the reel seat tomorrow.


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Post 30 Dec 2019, 08:48 • #55 
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This should be a great project. Love the older lami blanks.


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Post 30 Dec 2019, 10:19 • #56 
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Yeah they’re really great. So naturally, I’ve already traded this one away... ;)


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Post 01 Jan 2020, 13:04 • #57 
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Those winter projects are lookin good! Maybe one of these days I will find a nice Lami blank like that.

Right now working on a Sila-flex F-85 Apologize for the poor pics. Bruce


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Post 01 Jan 2020, 19:13 • #58 
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Unmarked blank believe it to be Lamiglass found in a dumpster at my brothers job. Came with a Medalist 1495 1/2. Blank is 2 piece 8 1/2 ft long original tip top glows in dark.

Blank stripped wet sanded and coated with spar varnish.

[Note added: These may have been Facebook photos, which are temporary. The photos are gone. Tom]


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Post 07 Jan 2020, 11:19 • #59 
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Nice photos FEFF. That will be a nice build. I like the Featherweight reel seats. You can still find them at Rick's Rods. I had a Fenwick fly rod with the same tip top insert.

It's on to the wrapping station for my winter rebuild. I'm thinking now that this blank is a Fenwick Yellow Jacket(?). Here is a picture I took of the butt section.
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Gudebrod Sunrise and Brown/Orange Jasper at the cork check and hookeeper, and clear silk wrap in between. This will be the signature area. I call this one "Yellow Sally." She's a 6'08" 4 weight. Pictures of the "carrot grip" and distressed reel seat are coming.


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Post 07 Jan 2020, 13:01 • #60 
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Now that’s looking good. Digging around the shop the other day I found that blanks brother. Only this one has a reel seat, grip and ferrules already installed cutting down like yours may be more work than I want. Besides, theres other Winter builds waiting.
I finally got the grip and seat installed on mine. Now it’s off to test cast the guide spacing.


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Post 07 Jan 2020, 16:48 • #61 
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It’s the start of the HoJo special


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Post 07 Jan 2020, 16:52 • #62 
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Digging the seat insert!

Chef...no pics of Yellow Sally's sibling?


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Post 10 Jan 2020, 19:40 • #63 
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A second thin coat is on the Yellow Sally tonight. I have been using the same 8 ounce can of ACE Spar Varnish for now for over a year. The half pints are hard to find but are best for me since I use so little. Poured off half of this one and thinned it with mineral spirits. I really like working with spar and don't mind at all the longer drying time. As usual, I have a few thread nibs to deal with but after a few more coats of varnish I will deal with them.
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Post 12 Jan 2020, 13:12 • #64 
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Looking good you guys! I enjoy following the progress!


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Post 17 Jan 2020, 20:05 • #65 
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I'm getting nowhere on rods this winter. Too much house DIY.
I am enjoying your progress's. Really impressive and varied projects.
I did fish my Green Hornet project rod from last year and caught a bunch of brookies from some new streams on Sunday. I hope you folks get to fish these gems. Soon.


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Post 17 Jan 2020, 20:29 • #66 
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Making progress on Yellow Sally. Another two coats of varnish on, and I am really taking a shine to the girl.
I have been tinkering for the past few nights. But something was gnawing at me.

The grip.

I purposely designed it -- the "carrot grip" to be short and lightweight so as to help offset the tip heavy nature of the blank. I wanted a short, slim grip--- this one is 4.75" -- with, as you will see, bulk at the butt end. All well and good. But I am less than satisfied with the appearance of the grip. Proportion? Taper?


So, what now? I've got a few ideas running around in my head. I am going to sleep on this. But for sure, the grip will get some sort of makeover.

This is one of the joys of putting up projects such as this. No timetable, no rules. Robert Frost said that writing free verse is like playing tennis without a net. Sometimes I like playing without a net.


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Post 17 Jan 2020, 22:56 • #67 
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It’s looking Picket.
Maybe a Ritz style grip if you aren’t happy with the carrot?
Fried clam(the Howard Johnson’s themed rod) is taking a break this week.
First week back to teaching this semester and the students are all full of questions so no time to play.


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Post 18 Jan 2020, 08:10 • #68 
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Looking good Picketpin! I have been playing around with a tip heavy blank and I found as I choked up on the grip that tip heavy feeling went away, so I am going to "shorten" it by adding a fighting butt (it is a 7 wt) and using a 7" grip. So I agree with Cheffy, a Ritz style grip would move your hand forward and maybe resolve the tip heaviness?


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Post 18 Jan 2020, 09:32 • #69 
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I do like Ritz grips. On this rod I wanted something small and short with a superfine-like look meant for short casting, close fishing, mostly smallish dry flies. But your suggestion makes perfect sense. Putting more beef in the handle/grip will counterbalance tip mass. The grip as it is now, is comfortable when held at the uppermost... and that helps to balance the rod. To your point, I thought about cutting it off completely and starting over. And this is still on the table. For now, I am reworking the existing grip. So still a work in progress. Back to the lab!


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Post 18 Jan 2020, 10:30 • #70 
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Looking forward to see what you come up with!


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Post 18 Jan 2020, 10:36 • #71 
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Just a thought. What about a heavier reel seat?
That could move the balance point back a bit


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Post 20 Jan 2020, 16:52 • #72 
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I am still fooling with the grip on my project rod Getting a kick out of trying out different ideas and riffs, if for no reason, then just to see how far I can push. I fit it out with a thread over cork hosel to transition from blank to grip. Fun and games with Yellow Sally... Having too much fun to be done with this one! What's next? who knows?


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Post 23 Jan 2020, 20:28 • #73 
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i got sick of looking at the crummy thread hosel and grip. last night it came undone. i sliced off the grip and unwound the hosel and stared a blank canvas, again. i dug out a few reel seat and some cork and got to tinkering in a new direction. So the journey continues -- destination unknown...



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Post 27 Jan 2020, 08:44 • #74 
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Fascinating project. I admire your patience in cutting off grips etc., and I'm sure the end result will be excellent.


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Post 16 Feb 2020, 04:56 • #75 
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A pair of rods the Betts (really a St Croix as they had bought Betts and built some rods using the name) came to me along with what was supposed to be some flyrod blanks which weren't, but in with the blanks was the butt section of a 7'6" Betts but the two tips with it were from some other fly rods one too short and one too long. They were yellow but I'm guessing they were Berkeleys given the wraps on them. After pulling the incompatible ferrules I shortened the butt a few inches and cut the long tip down several inches till I figured I would come out with a 7'8" finished rod (I altered the printed length changing the 6 to an 8) . Dug through my scrap pile and found a ferrule that would fit the butt, epoxied in place then built it up to fit the tip which was still a little too large to fit the ferrule. There were phony tipping wraps painted onto the raw blank then clear finish applied over the top along with a bunch of hash marks to place guides that simply wouldn't come off so I was locked into using the guide locations when placing guides so ended up with a few more than I would have liked but they all seem to fit well with the flex of the rod so I'm hoping it fishes well. The spaced out red tipping is hiding the painted on tipping. There was no line wt rating on the Betts but using the common cents method it comes out dead on as 6wt.

My intention was to sell my nearly identical 7'8" St Croix Pacemaker 900 once I got the Betts finished, but after completing the Betts I loved the look so much I just had to keep it and rewrap it. This rod has caught nearly all the big fish I've caught on a fly rod, plus while they both measure out as 6 wts they flex differently, Betts flexing in the tip while the St Croix flexes much deeper into the butt. Not wanting two identical rods I tipped this one with purple metallic, the label was beyond saving so I made another as the rod just didn't look right to me without the white label, never like the Pacemaker name so renamed it to Bumble Bee.


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