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Post 21 Mar 2009, 10:37 • #1 
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Since these discussed in the "best reels under $50" topic I thought I would post side by side photos of the Daiwa SF 708 and Daiwa Lochmoor-S 300 dual pawl reels. Both come in smaller sizes, 4-6 wt, and are identical to the larger size shown here. The darker reel is the Lochmoor-S 300 and the most substantive difference is the frame, a full cage in the SF 708 and a lighter version in the Lochmoor. The older SF 70x's have reversible lineguards, the Lochmoor doesn't. The pawls, springs and adjustments appear to be identical. The SF 708 and 706 were made by Daiwa for Scientific Anglers and became their System One reels, with the major difference being ventilation holes on the back of the frame. The System One spools and Daiwa SF-70x spools interchange, the Lochmoor-S spools do not interchange with the SF -70x spools, which is my only complaint about either reel.

Well made, capacious reels and among my favorites.

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Post 21 Mar 2009, 12:33 • #2 
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Thank you for that well done side-by-side description. I had a Daiwa SF (it was stolen) and always thought its adjustable click set-up was excellent, along with it's overall quality, so I've been wanting to look over a Lochmoor. I think there is a large-arbor version as well, kind of interesting since there are few LA models with good quality traditional click drags.


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Post 21 Mar 2009, 15:55 • #3 
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The first fly reel I ever purchased was the Daiwa SF706. It was a durable and well designed reel, and I eventually obtained a couple of spare spools for it. Unfortunately, I had it in a box with a bunch of other stuff I used for a Boy Scout Flyfishing Merit Badge class I was teaching, and something spilled in the box and sat there for a couple of years. The reel cage was junk, but I was able to salvage the spools and gave them to a member of this forum. Several years ago, I purchased a Daiwa Lochmor, I believe the S-200 model. At first I thought it to be the equal of the SF706, but after using it about a dozen times, the spindle loosened and the action became rather wobbly. While searching on E-bay, I had found mention of a few new old stock Daiwa Lochmor X series reels. I purchased the X-100, and it seems to be a very well designed reel, with a click pawl design that to me appears the equal of any Hardy I have looked at. I don't even have line on it yet, though, so I hope it doesn't fall apart the way the S-200 did.

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Post 28 Nov 2012, 16:13 • #4 
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Finally got around to satisfying this curiousity, as I had one of the Daiwa 708 reels and especially liked the click-pawl drag mechanism with its firmly detented stops for the adjuster and a relatively wide range of resistance. Mine was stolen, and when the Lochmor reels came out, I thought the mechanism might be identical, and then came the original post here. So now that they are way cheap on closeouts, I got one of the LA versions. I guess it could be called mid-arbor, but unlike many LA reels, it has the capacity for 60 yards of backing and a DT 6 weight line. Weighs a touch less than 6 oz with line on, very close to my favorite JW Young 1525 narrow spool conventional arbor reels and about the same diameter. Plain finish die-cast body, smooth with a good sound from the click. Daiwa-Seiko, made in China.

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Carlz, per your question below, I barely spun it before loading line so I can't really compare. My comparison would be no good anyway. Few clicks are loud enough for my partial hearing loss--this one is, at least without much background wind/flowing water noise--but I wouldn't hear the higher tones that make a click screechy.


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Post 28 Nov 2012, 21:08 • #5 
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I have a couple of Lochmoors that I have never had a line on. They seem to have a funny metallic, twangy click without a line on. Does this go away with the line on it?

Carl


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Post 30 Nov 2012, 15:50 • #6 
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Since I have both I just gave them a twirl, they sound like dual pawl reels to me ;). They sound even better with a fish taking line out.

Seriously, they sound a little different from each other but well within what I would consider the range and I have a large assortment of dual pawls. They both have line on, there is only so far I'm willing to go in the interest of science.

Like Wrhlpool, I have to plead a hearing problem, tinnitis. Everything has a ringing sound.


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Post 30 Nov 2012, 16:58 • #7 
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carlz wrote:
I have a couple of Lochmoors that I have never had a line on. They seem to have a funny metallic, twangy click without a line on. Does this go away with the line on it?

Carl

My 706 and 708 Daiwa's sounded like this. Putting an SA 1 spool on them solved the problem and they look better to boot. If you put backing and line on the Lochmoor that should absorb some of that sound.


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