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Post 18 Jan 2020, 21:31 • #1 
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Anyone have a fix for handle with a slight wobble on a Martin mg-72 multiplier. Does anyone have a schematic for this reel. Is there a washer that goes underneath the handle on the shaft that the handle attaches to?


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 01:13 • #2 
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looking at examples from M72, MG-10, MM-11, M72SR,
There is a stand-off between the face plate and handle, doesn't look like a washer, but maybe it is.
My best guess, the stand-off is a pressed-in bushing.
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guess Martin disappeared from Zebco's line-up with the past few years, because it wasn't too many years ago you could get gratis parts from Zebco/Martin with a phone call
(as long as you said your reel was an M72 SR)
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Death of an icon that will be talked about some day with the reverence of Medalist.
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and for pure porn, the classic beauty M68
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My first conversation with the late Bill Franke was to get that OnePfoot with the correct spacers.


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 08:45 • #3 
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Have you carefully observed the reel to isolate the source of the wobble? Sometimes it may feel that way through the crank, but that could be imparted by, for instance, looseness of the frame screws, the gearplate not being fully latched to the frame, or the spindle being loose. Snugging everything with a good-fitting screwdriver might do it.

The screw that holds the crank is certainly most likely, but observe to rule out other sources. Lube with heavy oil might help, but regardless, remove the screw and crank and observe the looseness there. There is no rule says you can't add a strategically place washer where needed. A mylar washer (any hardware store, 25 cents.) in the right spot takes up play well and enables the crank screw to be tightened firmly.

The 72 is a rugged, rugged, design, but loosey-goosey is part of it. Don't expect it to feel like a casting reel. With it, or any fly reel, realize that it isn't designed to be used as a winch against extreme pressure. Fast recovery from the geared retrieve, yes, but still, pump the rod to gain line; wind the reel to spool line on the downstroke.

If the crank bearing in the gearplate is worn out, somebody probably neglected to lube it and winched in line often. But it was a lot of fun doing it, that's for sure.


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 10:28 • #4 
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my first thought is their fairly loose design in gear mesh - the inside of the faceplate

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it's probably also possible on an older reel that was abused by cranking against big fish (as opposed to pumping) to wear the bushing and increase the wobble.
If you notice in my first reply photos above, they greatly increased the size of the bushing on the last M72SR
Adding a small brass/bronze spring washer beneath the handle might make an improvement (oil the washer).


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 12:43 • #5 
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Just grabbed two of mine, handle wobbles a bit on both of em. It's just the bushing a little loose, and I bet it had a bit of wobble new. If you are worried about, a small washer would improve the issue. There is no washer on the two I just looked at, and am pretty sure there was not one OE.


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 14:29 • #6 
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Yup, the multipliers' handles are fairly floppy and a micro shim would help. The bit of play in the gears exacerbates the feeling of sloppiness and to me the compounded feeling is worse than the actual play.


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 15:07 • #7 
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I picked up an MG72 a couple of years ago.The reel is old but the handle doesn't seem to wobble.It is a bit of a clanker but it just rips line in and has an excellent drag.


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 20:25 • #8 
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Well said, Stonefly. That's the whole idea. The crank itself is a relatively loose fit on the drive shaft, retained by a screw/cap nuts. A little wobble of the crank itself on its mount--as opposed to the shaft in its bushing--is pretty much normal, as Mag's visit to his garage testifies. This sent me to the basement, where I checked four of mine, all with a little free play. I have two more that I don't doubt are the same.


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 20:50 • #9 
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When I'm white bass fishing using a shooting basket, 70' casts with a sinking line, the fish will follow to your feet before picking up the fly.
The basket is important to keep the working sinking line in control and out of your feet.
When you hook up, the Martin multiplier (MM-11 double click-pawl is my favorite) will put the all the working line back on the spool in 3 seconds.

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Post 19 Jan 2020, 20:58 • #10 
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It is not the crank loose on its mount. It is the shaft in the bushing.


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Post 19 Jan 2020, 21:28 • #11 
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Both, I guess. Gotta say I didn't look too closely or remove the screw to try to rock just the shaft. Inside, the gears have freeplay as well. It was easy to see and feel the loose fit of the crank to the shaft. But anyhow, that's how these are made, not like a precision instrument with fine tolerances that are easily fouled by fine debris.


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Post 20 Jan 2020, 14:15 • #12 
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Thanks all for your insiteful discussion. I’ve come to the conclusion that the small amount of play in the crank handle is “normal” and to quote whirlpool “ but loosey-goosey is part of it” and “ .....anyhow, that's how these are made, not like a precision instrument with fine tolerances that are easily fouled by fine debris.“ I will also try some Mylar washers or spring washers and report back


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Post 22 Jan 2020, 10:03 • #13 
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Whrlpool
Around here Mylar washers are impossible to find in hardware stores.


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