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Post 14 Jan 2020, 09:32 • #1 
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I have a what I supposed to be older SA System 9 reel it is engraved made by Hardy. Were all the SA system reels made by Hardy bros or was this done on just some models or year classes?




I'd like to eventually pair this reel with an older glass rod that can toss bigger stuff for bass and the like and probably the salt too down here in Texas any suggestions would be much appreciated.


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Post 14 Jan 2020, 09:46 • #2 
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All were made by Hardy, all are one of two versions of Marquis.
One has the cam-adjusted yoke with hairspring click-pawl.
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The other has a plastic C-spring, which was also used on the Viscount.
Of course, your reel would be a perfect match with a SA System 9 glass rod.
And any other brand of 8' to 8-1/2' glass rod would probably match it well.

would be very careful with that reel in the salt - corrosion and possible cracking of the springs (unless they're plastic).
It would need a good Boeshield coating before going out, a good bath and more Boeshield after.
A photo of the inside of your reel would be nice, but by the rivets, I'd guess yours is the same check as my Marquis 7.


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Post 14 Jan 2020, 09:52 • #3 
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The "System" name continued with later reels made for SA by others, but "System X" reels sized to specific fly line weights (4 through 9 or so, matched to the System X fiberglass rods) were Hardy.


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Post 14 Jan 2020, 10:01 • #4 
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System One, System Two (text), v. System 4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11 (numeral)
When they went to graphite, the rods became System G#


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Post 15 Jan 2020, 10:33 • #5 
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here are the insides of the reel.






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Post 15 Jan 2020, 11:36 • #6 
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About what years were these reels made? Also just curious on an estimated value; I got the reel at a pawn shop in Kentucky back around 2006 or so for $20.00 wonder if I made out ok.


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Post 15 Jan 2020, 14:43 • #7 
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can't give you exact dates, but roughly mid-70s into 80s, followed by the Marquis Disc


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Post 15 Jan 2020, 18:43 • #8 
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You made out good. They are Hardy Marquis. Also, just like the Marquis, they came in two varieties. The one you have with symetric springs and the one with a circular spring.


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Post 16 Jan 2020, 03:15 • #9 
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bones72 wrote:
I got the reel at a pawn shop in Kentucky back around 2006 or so for $20.00 wonder if I made out ok.

Did they press the alarm as you were leaving? You definitely stole it.

These reels respond very well to the Bulldog Cleaning Process™ posted in the stickies at the top of this forum.


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Post 16 Jan 2020, 07:23 • #10 
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nah, his doesn't need a vinegar bath, and I wouldn't risk it on the paint, but a light rub with Boeshield.

they respond pretty well to Kenai rainbows (those other guys are snagging sockeye)
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also fished it for KT Dairies, big bass on Hondo Creek - after a day of little endemic bass on the Guadalupe, we got all the big bass footage KT needed in 90 minutes here.
It sounded wonderful on tv.
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somewhere in the archive is a thread about click-pawl sounds and your favorite - this reel is it for me, and a few others agreed it was their choice, as well.


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Post 16 Jan 2020, 08:17 • #11 
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Haha! I was thinking bulldog and I had shared all our thoughts and concerns, considered all stakeholders, had the conversation about options, engaged in a dialog, drank all the coolaid, and reached a consensus that when a Martin MG3 sounds off, it's time for the Hardy boys to go home.

Seriously, well done. Just to be stubborn, I wouldn't have given more than 19.99 for it. I'd be looking for the cops, too, but confident I wouldn't get arrested as long as they could confiscate the reel.

You will enjoy that reel, sweet-sounding on wind, and just enough to make the hair stand up on the back of your neck when a fish rips line. I had a friend who had one, and if he came on the river after dark anywhere near me, I didn't have to see him to know.

Here's that fun discussion bulldog mentioned where you can hear more about it: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=63660&hilit=3+5+wt+size


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Post 16 Jan 2020, 09:27 • #12 
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Oh I've enjoyed the sound since I bought it. I saw it back then when I was looking to balance out and older Horrick's and Ibbetson's 5/6 weight 'boo rod that I had refinished. Many days on the Cumberland river in Kentucky with big bows and browns charging through big heavy water and that old reel singing away. I had just never researched what I had. As loud as it is it never compared to the Bougle that I had my little 4wt 'boo fishing on the "Dream Stream" section of the South Platte in Colorado.


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Post 17 Jan 2020, 07:39 • #13 
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btw, here's the difference in the checks:
Hardy uses two sizes pawls, trout and salmon.
My Marquis 7 uses trout pawls and small Marquis springs.
Your System 9 uses larger salmon pawls, and wider, thicker springs.


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Post 17 Jan 2020, 08:10 • #14 
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That's pretty cool to know. So is the Marquis 7 comparable in size?


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Post 17 Jan 2020, 09:02 • #15 
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The Marquis 7 is smaller diameter and narrow, but a perfect fit with a 7-wt line.

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I had a System 7 rod that I sold for an over-full niche, but kept the reel, because it has so many uses.


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Post 22 Jan 2020, 22:47 • #16 
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Here's an example of the other (Viscount type) check mechanism noted by Bulldog and CarlZ above:



It's not as good as the Marquis type, but works well enough for trout fishing and announces to a wide area when you have a fish on.


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Post 23 Jan 2020, 00:17 • #17 
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I think they probably work great, the problem is there is no way to repair them if that plastic spring goes south - warps to oval or cracks.
Thanks for posting the photo.


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Post 24 Jan 2020, 09:06 • #18 
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You're welcome. I'll take care with the spring. My sense is that it's under very low load and shouldn't warp in regular use. Heat -- that'd be something to avoid.


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Post 24 Jan 2020, 09:24 • #19 
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It is bound to creep under load, so always retire the reel with drag tension relaxed - I even do that on my bicycle derailleur springs.


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Post 24 Jan 2020, 09:46 • #20 
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Good advice, thanks. I do use low check settings as a matter of course. Chemical exposure is another risk, so I'll be careful in cleaning too.


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Post 24 Jan 2020, 21:16 • #21 
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The spring is metal under the plastic and can be tuned. I did not find all that much difference between check styles in function. The only model I don't like is the system 7. I had problems with overruns with the smaller pawls mated to the larger diameter. Had the same problem with a ross colorado 3. Never trusted them with a steelhead.

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Post 24 Jan 2020, 21:34 • #22 
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I landed chrome sockeye on mine, but I agree the Marquis check is not Hardy's widest-ranging - of course I also tweak my springs to get the most - and it has a palming rim.


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Post 24 Jan 2020, 21:52 • #23 
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No problem once the fish is to the reel. My problems occurred during stripping line out casting. Just wouldn't want the initial fish to reel connection to be fast and abrupt. There is a world of difference moving to the salmon pawls and springs in the system 8 or marquis 8/9.
The Sage 508 was another one I had that the check mechanism was too small for the mass of the reel.

I do love the system/ marquis reels. One of the best ones out there is the system 11. Not sure I would want to use it on an 11wt rod but it is the best size for spey rods in the 12-13.5' range. A little larger than the salmon 1 but doesn't jump to the salmon 2 size of the marquis.


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Post 24 Jan 2020, 22:14 • #24 
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The JLH check is Hardy's widest-ranging, used on the Sunbeam, two smaller Cascapedias and, of course, the JLH Ultralight.
It's their copy of the BFR check with a wide adjusting cam.
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5-lb bass on the JLH 2/3/4
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Post 27 Jan 2020, 13:35 • #25 
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Riffling Hitch wrote:
The spring is metal under the plastic and can be tuned. I did not find all that much difference between check styles in function. The only model I don't like is the system 7. I had problems with overruns with the smaller pawls mated to the larger diameter. Had the same problem with a ross colorado 3. Never trusted them with a steelhead.

Russell


Sounds like the spring is steel over-molded with plastic -- expensive process involving mold tooling etc. I wonder why they would do that, assuming the basic design was a steel spring. Rust protection?


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