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Post 29 Dec 2013, 17:07 • #1 
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I just visited my local Orvis shop and they pointed out that the new click & pawl CFO is now available online. The most popular size is back ordered for a bit, tho.

They didn't have one in the store to play with yet or I would have tried to take a photo of the innards, but they should arrive soon.


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Post 01 Jan 2014, 05:14 • #2 
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They are available on the Orvis web site now. They don't say that they are built by Abel, they just say that they are built in California. Their new fiberglass rods are on their website too, but they say that they are not available for shipping until February.

I might have to order the CFO online to see how long it takes to ship it. It seems like a good reel for fiberglass rods. To be honest I have been pretty happy with the Orvis reels that I have fished even thought they weren't built by Abel. An Abel built CFO sounds awesome.


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Post 01 Jan 2014, 08:05 • #3 
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The new Orvis glass rods are on their website too, though all three models are backordered right now.


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Post 01 Jan 2014, 15:55 • #4 
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Orvis will not confirm the reels are made by Abel - but did say they are made in Camarillo, CA.


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Post 02 Jan 2014, 10:34 • #5 
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H&H will not confirm Hi-floater lines are made by Cortland, either.
That's really a given.


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Post 03 Jan 2014, 03:02 • #6 
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Brian Shaffer wrote:
Orvis will not confirm the reels are made by Abel - but did say they are made in Camarillo, CA.

Pretty funny considering Camarillo is a small beach town.


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Post 07 Jan 2014, 10:44 • #7 
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Just got my hands on one ... Abel did an awesome job on these reels! Very very nice ... amongst the best cross made IMHO.


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Post 07 Jan 2014, 11:51 • #8 
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DB Cooper wrote:
Just got my hands on one ... Abel did an awesome job on these reels! Very very nice ... amongst the best cross made IMHO.

I agree. I've been fishing a prototype since summer and they are extremely nice fly reels.


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Post 07 Jan 2014, 11:58 • #9 
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Some marketers identify their OEM suppliers readily; others don't. Best I recall, Orvis typically doesn't, but does indicate the country/region of origin. Somebody with a few Orvis reels can say for sure, but I don't think they put Pflueger on their versions, or STS on the Argentinian reels, BFR on those, or Hardy on those, or Young on those--just to name a bunch of companies that made for Orvis. Sometimes this is an outcome of the contract with the OEM, sometimes a marketing decision as to region or brand identity and doesn't mean much beyond that. It often generates a secondary marketing force the company is aware of but doesn't need to spend on--a buzz from consumers. Orvis sources quality. If someone prefers the same or near-same product under the OEM's brand, that's often available as well.


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Post 07 Jan 2014, 12:18 • #10 
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I just bought two of the current CFO's for £103.00 each. Unlike a lots of you guys on the 'far side' of the pond I didn't care where they were made. The new ones look very nice - albeit a little generic now that they've ditched the bronze finish. Looking forward to the glass rods.


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Post 07 Jan 2014, 13:35 • #11 
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no photos Cam?
There is a parallel thread on Clark's board, where it was mentioned they used Phillips-head screws in the prototype.
I vote they fix that.


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Post 07 Jan 2014, 14:14 • #12 
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bulldog1935 wrote:
no photos Cam?

I think I have some from this summer. I fished a couple prototypes while in New York at the clave this summer and then sent another prototype in the early fall with the glass demos. I'll post some photos when I get a chance.

I'll have to check on the screws used on that prototype and compare with what was used in the final offering.


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Post 07 Jan 2014, 20:32 • #13 
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I'm told that the current disc drag for "bronze" ... Will not be discontinued?


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Post 08 Jan 2014, 14:07 • #14 
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I played with a late prototype CFO that Cameron had at the Denver show. Excellent reel and very close to the original CFO that we all know and love.


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Post 09 Jan 2014, 09:10 • #15 
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The guys on Clark's board reported the production model has phillips-head screws in the latch cover


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Post 09 Jan 2014, 09:57 • #16 
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You can see them (Phillips screws) on the Orvis site:
http://www.Orvis.com/store/product.aspx?pf_id=9P4A


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Post 09 Jan 2014, 10:03 • #17 
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thanks - neat little panheads - they don't look too bad, but slotted would be better


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Post 09 Jan 2014, 10:38 • #18 
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ibookje, I know you're probably following the thread on Clark's, too, but Paul said the tensioning cam was like a Beaudex.
http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/vie. .. 25#p592525


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Post 09 Jan 2014, 11:31 • #19 
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Holy cow, what's next, torx screws?

Those reels look great, and maybe Orvis's choice of Abel is part of the return of some fine machine manufacturing to the U.S. Great to see this new product.

Little details like screw heads don't matter, or don't matter to most. Or do they?

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Post 10 Jan 2014, 21:31 • #20 
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Handled the new CFO III yesterday. The fit and finish is excellent ... I liked everything about it. It may be because its brand new but one thing I noted was that the springs felt much stronger than English made reels I own.


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Post 11 Jan 2014, 00:22 • #21 
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I bought a new cfo 2 today. it looks pretty good, no plastic parts on the reel. the finish is nice and the reel is smooth. I have a bunch of made in England cfos and the new ones are pretty close to the old hardy made ones. the springs do seem stiffer and are definitely thicker. the new size two is slightly smaller than the original size 3, and seems to weigh about the same, maybe slightly more than the old cfo 3. I'm not an expert on reels, but these seem to be built very solid, comparable to the Abel tr series. I have a tendency to be rough on gear and have sent a number of hardy made cfos to Bill A for repair. I'd bet the new cfo can take more abuse, but that is tbd. overall, I'd say these reels stay true to the originals, but are built ( slightly) stronger.


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Post 12 Jan 2014, 11:29 • #22 
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The size 2 is probably the same size as the original CFO 123.
I wonder if the spools are interchangeable.


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Post 12 Jan 2014, 18:18 • #23 
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the new 2 is larger than a 123, it is much closer to a hardy or bfr 3. the spools are not interchangeable.


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Post 12 Jan 2014, 19:16 • #24 
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Can not remember if this was added before but are the Orvis stated line recommendations accurate or off?


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Post 13 Jan 2014, 00:12 • #25 
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the capacity they state is true, but they only state capacity with wf line. Orvis lists the cfo 1 as 1/2/3wt, cfo 2 as 3/4/5, and cfo 3 as 5/6/7. the new 1 is close in size to an old 123, new 2 is close to an old iii, new 3 is close to an old iv. I have a dt 4 on my new cfo 2 with some backing.


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