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Re: A Young
Post 06 Jan 2020, 07:08 • #151 
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Grouse wrote:

the Jubilee is a great reel, amazingly tight fit and finish, and also with one of the best, smoothest and widest-ranging click-pawls of any design.
Not too many click pawls in this large 3-1/2" DT6 capacity work quite so well.
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A JAF Avon is the same series in frame design, generally made in smaller sizes, but didn't get this same check in those small sizes.


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Re: A Young
Post 07 Jan 2020, 05:45 • #152 
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Re: A Young
Post 07 Jan 2020, 06:06 • #153 
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Young pattern 2a - Many names and variations on this pattern, which was introduced in 1925
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Post 10 Jan 2020, 19:46 • #154 
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Exchequer brace.


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Post 11 Jan 2020, 10:17 • #155 
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There's a great spy story behind the 1935 Exchequer and JW Young Mayfield Works.

This is the 1947 Exchequer, but internally a copy of the 1935 version - palming rim, friction drag, optional click-pawl (i.e., can be disengaged), spool bearings.
It would work better with a thrust bearing, but that wasn't its purpose.
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England began re-arming in preparation for the war in 1934, devised the system of Shadow Factories in 1935, where established factories added a line of armaments production, working with government oversight and Military Intelligence.
England began their Aircraft Directive in 1936.
Sometime after 1934, Young Mayfield Works was surreptitiously making aircraft control system parts for Hurricane and later Spitfire fighters.
Ogden Smiths Exchequer Improved Pattern was designed using Hoffmann aircraft control system ball bearings to mask the boxes of bearings that were being delivered to the Mayfield Works well before the war began.
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OS Exchequers, 1947, 1935, and 1925
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Re: A Young
Post 11 Jan 2020, 10:27 • #156 
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Just look at the quality of that hardware,it was amazing the way not just the British ,but how our own industry switched over to war time production,Lionel trains made compasses for ships and parts for bomb sights .Zebco started out as a war plant that started making reels after the war.Zero Hour Bomb Co.My grandpa was a pattern maker/engineer who was not allowed to enlist because of his trade.He lost a brother and a brother in law,He always felt guilty ,Went on to a stellar career with IBM,was on the development team for selectric type writer/printer.We have the prototype balls with all the type on them.I remember him describing what would become a modern CNC machine,Having dyslexia i could never do the advanced math to follow .I do have a degree in mechanical drafting but CAD wiped those skills out and construction paid WAY more.I believe the war effort and the economy that followed saved so many of these companies,I have Lionel And American Flyer train engines that are now 100 years old and still run well.Like in Andy's posts about the early glass rods that are still throwing flies and lures 60+ years later.


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Post 11 Jan 2020, 12:52 • #157 
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Actually the Zero Hour Bomb Comany manufactured electrically timed bombs for fracturing oil formations. The company was started in 1932, but by the late 40's its' business was dropping off. Continued as Zebco after they took the design of a spincasting reel and started producing it.

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Re: A Young
Post 11 Jan 2020, 13:15 • #158 
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When Young made the decision to leave fly reel production in late 2001, they had come up with a new line of reels to differentiate the company from offshore manufacturing.
One was the Aerial, another the Thistle brass winding plate reel.
Along with the Jubilee, Revolution and Sea Venture, they decided all the newer designs would come in at $500, which the market couldn't bear.
The new models ended up as JAF reels.

This is a Redditch prototype Thistle.
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Re: A Young
Post 13 Jan 2020, 20:59 • #159 
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Thanks Larry,never knew that.The local legend around here was they made bomb casings for the war effort and made reels with the machining they had,


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Re: A Young
Post 14 Jan 2020, 09:59 • #160 
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This thread has stayed quite focused on Young reels, which naturally lead to various points of manufacturing history. Zebco gets us a little far off, though I can see how the parallels brought us there. A separate thread on Zebco fly reels might be fun. Let's keep this one on Young, though.


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Re: A Young
Post 14 Jan 2020, 10:25 • #161 
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It could be a welcome thread on Another Spin, where Zebco seems to be a missing stepchild.

The Dunlop-green story behind the Condex has become twisted since Young dropped the history from their website.
Dunlop may had floorspace adjacent to Mayfield Works that Young eventually expanded into, but frugality was the Young historic tale.
Young purchased surplus Dunlop green paint because it was there and inexpensive (or free?) and more history was born.
(Dunlop's choice of masthead color goes back to tennis played on grass lawns, and matching shoes to beat the grass-stain rush.)

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Re: A Young
Post 08 Jan 2022, 13:43 • #162 
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My modest contribution. A 1540 and av Daiwa 813 = two 1540:s...

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Re: A Young
Post 08 Jan 2022, 14:14 • #163 
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nice reels - thanks for playing


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Re: A Young
Post 08 Jan 2022, 16:52 • #164 
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Grouse - that photo above with the guy and the gullwing Merc - holy bananas!
Ogden Smith's Fly Fishing Tackle shop... if only I could walk in there on that very day ~

I see that this thread got past me... time to dig out some of my Young's.
A super rich history has been shown - and what a variety.


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Re: A Young
Post 09 Jan 2022, 10:59 • #165 
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A stroll in the classic Ogden Smith shop at that time period would have been wonderful.

Edit: Original post was edited as Farlow's reel not made by Young based upon further contrary authority. Still enjoy.

Another great shop was Farlow's of London. Charles Farlow opened his shop in 1840 and gained a reputation for offering fine angling equipment. Farlow remains in business with a different family owning the firm. Farlight model shown below.













Pages shown directly above from 1960 Farlow's catalog.


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Young manufactured reels
Post 20 Jan 2022, 15:33 • #166 
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Milwards Flycraft
Modarcom Flysport (rubbish handle)
Ogden Smiths Flyos
S. Allcock Black Knight

So beneficial is the added weight you get from these fully caged style reels.





You must add this Young to your collection :





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Re: A Young
Post 21 Jan 2022, 06:36 • #167 
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Brian, enjoyed the composition of your vintage Young reels in the first two images. Also, the Presidential is an interesting reel that does not show up often on these pages. Correspondingly, a tip of the cap to Bulldog for his amazing reel images in this thread and throughout this Classic Fly Reels page.

Edit: As noted above Farlow's shown not by Young.

Shown below is a Farlow's Serpant that is now in another collection and an image of the reel papers included with the Farlow's reels of this era.













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Re: A Young
Post 21 Jan 2022, 08:22 • #168 
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Guys, I love to see this thread played, but I think each of you have posted Aberdeen reels.
Unlike most tackle merchants in the British Isles, Sharpes of Aberdeen was never a gunsmith, but opened strictly for fishing in 1919.
The first marked reel we've seen is a hand-engraved Dingley, they soon followed with many Redditch reels on their shelves.
But even before WWII, they had already tried their hand at reel making. They were following the model of Farlow, who made a few reels in Croydon, but so many in their catalog (45 models in 1933), most of them came from Redditch, Birmingham, and Alnwick.

Sharpes copied both Young and Dingley so closely, I've been fooled by Aberdeen reels. They fit Young pawls, they use Young's prewar spool run-out adjustment.
Postwar, they were selling many reels to both Milward and Farlow, certainly cutting into Young's traditional market.
In 1958, Farlow purchased Sharpes, and certainly most reels in 1960s Farlow's inventory came from Aberdeen.

My buddy owns this LHW Sapphire, my only ever Lang's purchase - his sweet wife asked me to find this reel and a mint Phillipson Registered for his Christmas present.
Please don't confuse this Sharpes of Aberdeen reel with Young of Redditch.

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Here's the Young-made Flycraft, a pattern 15a
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I'm still fishing this reel, and someone will be fishing it after me. You don't want to know -
- ok, I'll tell - $57 when a UK Milward's collector was unloading on ebay, and the postwar Sharpes reels took all the heat.


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Re: A Young
Post 21 Jan 2022, 11:05 • #169 
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I had a "President" reel, similar to the one in the photo, got it from a friend and gave it to another friend.

Said "Made In Japan" on it, a bit of research showed it was finished off in England, a magnesium alloy. J Young did the finishing work, evidently.

Cool reel, really beautiful with the silver shiny finish, kind of sorry I did not keep it.


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Re: A Young
Post 21 Jan 2022, 11:13 • #170 
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Very close connection between Young, Daiwa and Tiemco in the 1990s.
When Young closed the line in 2002, all the engineered-composite reels closed out in Japan with Tiemco.
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These are really great reels if you can find them. Don't confuse with cheap graphite.
Young thought they could save their market with $100 reel, but no one would buy composite.
They're worth more than their original price, both in value and function.


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Re: A Young
Post 21 Jan 2022, 14:37 • #171 
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Some Youngs I enjoy using:


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Re: A Young
Post 22 Jan 2022, 10:39 • #172 
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Here's my only Young reel: A 3" perfect style beauty made for J. Bernard & Son, and it's as fun to fish as it is to look at.













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Re: A Young
Post 22 Jan 2022, 13:38 • #173 
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Ahh, some red hooker lipstick! Beautiful reel archer829!


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Re: A Young
Post 23 Jan 2022, 14:28 • #174 
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Well here is another one to add to the list that I just received. LL Bean Guide Series 400
I know it is made by JW Young but I don’t know what model number Young used for this multiplier. Hopefully one of you will know.
Reel is 3 1/2in diameter; metal gears; 8.6oz with line
Spool is 2 15/16in diameter x 5/8in wide






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Re: A Young
Post 23 Jan 2022, 19:39 • #175 
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