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Post 18 Sep 2023, 18:10 • #1 
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I'm a few years late but I've also been on the search of info on the conolon fish logo and patent dates to help me date my Garcia conolon rod. The photos that were once on this thread (viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67049&view=unread#unread) are now gone so I don't know if I'm reposting the same photos or info or not. I also have a white or cream colored rod but not a fly rod. Kinda on information over load but my quest has led me here.


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Post 19 Sep 2023, 07:59 • #2 
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Those are very helpful TM dates, and Conolon was king of rods in the early 70s.
Earlier versions of the fish logo and Conolon Live Fiber TM go back to pre-Garcia NARMCO and the advent of Conolon rods in the early 50s.

The same logo trademarked in 1970 was in their 1955 catalog, shown on p39 of J&J book.

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Post 19 Sep 2023, 11:28 • #3 
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Steve:

Try sending a PM to forum member Conolon.

He worked for the company for many years and MAY have some insight.

Good luck!


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Post 19 Sep 2023, 11:32 • #4 
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Hey thanks for your response!.I'm not familiar with the J&J book. I was thinking this rod could have been from 1955 from the fish logo but now I have my doubts. This Conolon live fiber spinning rod is like new condition maybe new old stock? The SP 3065 number and the buckskin color of the rod throws me off as well. I think I've been through all of Richard's past posts that I could find. What a knowledgeable guy. He mentioned model numbers 6000 down to 3000 model numbered series of rods. Still holding onto thoughts this could be an earlier rod before Garcia name went on the fish logo but the logo patents I've found indicate it could be a 70s rod as well.


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Post 19 Sep 2023, 11:44 • #5 
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Johnson (dad) & Johnson (son), Fiberglass Fly Rods


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Post 19 Sep 2023, 13:04 • #6 
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Bamboozle wrote:
Steve:

Try sending a PM to forum member Conolon.

He worked for the company for many years and MAY have some insight.

Good luck!


Hey thank you!


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Post 20 Sep 2023, 20:28 • #7 
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Hey SteveB71,

Based on your rod's "r" (= registered trademark) as the eye (versus just a dot) of the fish logo without any "Garcia" text within the body of the fish logo, I would have expected your SP 3065 very likely to be a pre-Garcia Conolon rod somewhere from 1956 to 1959. The rod's yellow color (Conolon's SunGlo?) is not a common Garcia finish, which may ultimately tell more of the rod's story.

Well, I own the Conolon '56-59 catalogs and it's not there.

So may I conclude that sometimes with ownership changes, prior markers roll over? I have several Garcia catalog hardcopies (1960 on) to check further, but they are at a location somewhat far from me - so, that may require some time.

John


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Post 21 Sep 2023, 13:32 • #8 
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Hey thank you for your response. Very interesting. I dont know the technical names for such but in your opinion does the windings and ferrals, reelseat match a rod in the late fifties time frame as well?


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Post 27 Sep 2023, 00:47 • #9 
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Hey SteveB71,

Good point about the rod handle! The rod grip is definitely not 1950s Narmco. I was so focused on the decal that I didn't look closely at the rod handle.

Is there any other text on the rod in addition to the decal you show at the start of the thread?

My next guess would be your rod wasn't cataloged by Garcia. It was part of one of the "rod and reel" kits offered by Garcia to many of the larger department stores and chain drug stores that carried sporting goods. That would put your rod in the 1970s. There is a 1973 catalog insert of such kits, but unfortunately I don't have that insert.

John


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Post 27 Sep 2023, 09:21 • #10 
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Hi, John. Very interesting. I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and your response. No other markings on the rod.


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Post 27 Sep 2023, 09:24 • #11 
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I'm suspecting the blank color may group the rod in the discount trade rods we discussed on the other thread.


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