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Post 26 Jul 2021, 19:55 • #1 
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I've been looking to buy one of these reels. I want a 1000 or C2000 size Ultralight. I like the magnesium or Hagane frame. I like a very high geared reel to keep up retrieving back through swift water, I am not expecting to catch anything big. All that being said, I am having trouble swimming in the JDM market. I can't seem to find anything "new" with other than 5-1 gear ratio. There is "new" and "19" and "original" in all these reels, hard to cipher what exactly your buying. I guess I'm asking is there the newest model with a high gear ratio. Some I have found are sold out. I have lost track of all the JDM market places, Ali express is where I'm looking, others?


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Post 26 Jul 2021, 21:05 • #2 
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I own a Vanquish, and it's one of those couldn't pry from my hands, etc.
The differences are pretty straightforward.
Vanquish is magnesium body and spool, CI4+ rotor, hard-anodized alloy drive, titanium bail.
Twin Power is aluminum body, spool and rotor, everything else the same as Vanquish.
Stella is magnesium body, spool and rotor, and stainless steel drive.

Vanquish remains the lowest-inertia reel ever made, and it's shocking next to any other Shimano reel.
There is no resistance whatsoever to start, and the reel doesn't try to push you when you stop - zero, zilch.
Even buttery smooth Stradic, you feel the inertia at each end.

Stella was the new round of reels that came out in '18, Vanquish and Stradic in '19, and Twin Power in '20.
The parts interchange between all these reels.
Here's the Vanquish JDM model list - I don't believe Twin Power comes in all the small sizes, but Stella models will be identical:
https://www.jpfishingtacklenews.com/shi ... uish-2019/
Note the spool capacities and gear ratios are listed.
C2000SHG is the drive ratio you are looking for.

Don't trust Ali for these Japan bench-made reels.
You want to check Asian Portal, Digitaka, or order through Plat. Also probably Rakuten, but some of their shops require a shipping broker. There's another choice, if you don't mind paying his brokerage fee, have Masamichi at noppin.com find it for you.

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Post 26 Jul 2021, 21:54 • #3 
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Thanks Ron, you put me back on the rails again. They have added a 1000 size to the twin power line.


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Post 27 Jul 2021, 07:56 • #4 
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you're welcome - keep us posted...


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Post 30 Jul 2021, 09:37 • #5 
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This is a typical run I fish and the Soare's 5.6 Gear Ratio can keep up but I have to reel a little to fast for my liking.

Average size, seem to be catching more and more largemouth in the rapids, competing with the smallies.


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Post 30 Jul 2021, 10:25 • #6 
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Gomexus offers that same handle with 72 mm diameter (36 mm pitch).
I really dig it on my low-geared Stradic.
With low gears, you don't need a long handle for leverage - the leverage is in the gears.
Also, you naturally spin the wind faster, because you use all wrist and no arm.

Note that Gomexus has copied Livre so closely (except for use of titanium), the gomexus handle swaps into my Livre handle base.


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Post 30 Jul 2021, 17:46 • #7 
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Ghost, a high gear ratio is nice, but it sounds like you need more line pick up per handle revolution. The size 2000/2500 reels have the best pickup/revolution in the lightest frames. For instance, the Shimano VFC2000 (VanfordF, available in the US) has a 6.1:1 gear ratio and picks up 32 inches per revolution. Your Soare 500S picks up only 27 inches* per revolution. The size VFC2500 picks up 35 inches/revolution, but the reel is heavier. The size 1000 reels often pick up less than the size 500.

The Shimano Vanquish lineup has more size options. The Vanquish C2500S XG picks up almost 34 inches/revolution without a weight penalty. Finding a Vanquish in stock may be difficult. The Daiwa LT2500 size reels are similar for line pickup and weight (for instance,the Luvias Airity). Again, finding one in stock might be difficult.

I'll second Ron's recommendation of buying through http://www.plat.co.jp If nothing else, their English website is a good for comparison shopping, albeit a bit slow. They still list specifications for many older, out of stock items. If they have what you want, Plat's communication and delivery after ordering are good.


Tom

* The conversion from cm to inches is 2.5 cm = 1 inch. Don't make it any fancier than that.


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Post 02 Aug 2021, 21:27 • #8 
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Your exactly right Tom, weight is a big concern for me, I am an ultralight nut often with four and a half foot and five foot rods in my hand, might not be THE choice in some swifter water but often what I'm using. I would like the 35" of crank from a c2500 but it might weigh down my rod butt.
Meanwhile a CI4 Stradic 1000F has distracted some of my funds for a Vanquish.


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Post 03 Aug 2021, 06:57 • #9 
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The handle pitch is absolutely part of the formula - the reel's fishing part doesn't start at the gears, but at the handle knob, and finishes at the spool diameter.

What you lose with a 37" pick-up is reeling power, feel, and finesse in lure action.
(Another feel-stealer in spinning reels is the drive inertia and rotor mass.)
A longer handle pitch has the effect of slowing down the reel and giving back some of each, while a shorter handle pitch has the effect of speeding up the reel.
The One Revolution has distance (work), torque and power.
What comes out of your car's transmission is totally dependent upon what goes in.

Grey Ghost has found the problem of slowing down his low-geared reel too much with a long handle pitch.
I always tune my handle length for gear ratios. Lower-geared reels get shorter handle pitch, higher-geared reels get longer handle pitch.
On the high-geared reels, the longer handle lets me fish lures with more finesse and fight fish with more power.
On the low-geared reels, the shorter handle lets me wind faster.


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