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Japanese Glass Rods
Post 14 May 2012, 14:53 • #1 
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If you have glass from Japan, I'd love to hear what you think about them as well as seeing some photos. Thanks!

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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 14 May 2012, 15:11 • #2 
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I have a Kabuto white 6623 custom built by Marty DeSapio that I will post about when
I find the time to take some pictures. 6' 6" 2 weight 3 piece (better with a 3 weight, imo).

I am considering selling the rod. Another on the horizon!


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 14 May 2012, 20:32 • #3 
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I have a Tiemco Fenwick Continental Tourer - a 7'4" 4wt that packs down teeny. Its a dream for hike in fishing. You may have a chance to play with it in a few months.


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 14 May 2012, 21:20 • #4 
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I have a few and enjoy them all. First up the Norie Early Spring 7' 2/3wt. I posted on this rod in the ultralightflyfishingforum earlier this year, easier for me to post a link than repeat it all.
http://ultralightflyfishing.com/forum/v. .. ilit=norie

I picked up a 6 piece Axisco Airrite 7' 3wt this year. This rod is much like the Norie but with a significant amount more power in the butt section. Limited time fishing her, so far I'm pleased. Again, the type of rod you need to wait for.

I also have a Kabuto 662 and I also prefer it as a 3wt(This one built by Vlad). To me, this rod is well different than the other two. This Kab is medium fast with some good strength in the butt section. Unlike the Norie and the Airrite, you don't need to wait for this one. Throws a quick tight loop and generates ample line speed. Obviously made in Japan but not the type of action I think of when thinking of Japanese rods.
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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 14 May 2012, 21:33 • #5 
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Tiemco Fenwick 'Little Yellow' 7'0" 5/1 #3(4)
Tiemco Fenwick '79.5' 7'9" 5/1 #5

*Awesome* pack rods, both.
Pretty heavy for 'glass.
Small (short, thin) grips.
Pretty versatile.

Old Beech 'Quiet Loop' VF763 7'6" 2/1 #3
Nice dry fly rod.
Also heavy for 'glass.

IZCH PB804 8'0" 2/1 #4
*extremely* parabolic taper.
Also heavy for 'glass.
Crazy fun with a good fish on ...
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Other rods owned in the past:
Norie 'Flex Tailor' (custom) 5'3" 2/1 #3/4
Old Beech 'Quiet Loop' VF662 6'6" 2/1 #2(3)
Old Beech 'Quiet Loop' VF663 6'6" 2/1 #3(4)
Old Beech 'Quiet Loop' VF804 6'6" 2/1 #4(5)


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 14 May 2012, 21:57 • #6 
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Jasonbu wrote:
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That is as an aesthetically pleasing rod as you'll ever find! Woof!


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 14 May 2012, 23:14 • #7 
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Dylan - look forward to seeing pics of your Kabuto custom build.
JB - nice quiver of Japanese glass. Thanks for the comparisons.
Pete - the Tiemco Fenwick wold be perfect for "cutthroat heaven" when you come up.
Corey - I'm intrigued by your para IZCH 8' #4. Are they still being made? Got any photos?


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 10:28 • #8 
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Studio Thin Line and Axisco Airrite Stream - both delicate seven foot rods for a 3/4 line. ..
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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 10:48 • #9 
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Studio Thin Line 7'4" 3/4wt. I won't post a pic, because mine looks virtually identical to Duff's 7' 3/4. A slow rod compared to my S glass, but very sweet, and makes me slow down my fishing (a good thing). I prefer it with a DT4 line to calm down the somewhat excitable tip. ;)


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Post 15 May 2012, 12:00 • #10 
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I manipulated the color of first photo to make the rods blend better with the subdued background. The rods actually have more color. ..
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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 12:48 • #11 
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I had forgotten about the Studio Thin Lines; the tobacco glass blank has so much character. CC & Duff, how "slow" are we talking? What other glass rods would you compare them to?

Anyone remember an uncommon Japanese glass rod that was once shown here on the forum that had really neat handmade bronzed, "medieval-appearing" hardware? I can't recall the maker.

And Christian, this thread needs an Amberstar photo! :)


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 12:56 • #12 
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docbluedevil wrote:
Anyone remember an uncommon Japanese glass rod that was once shown here on the forum that had really neat handmade bronzed, "medieval-appearing" hardware? I can't recall the maker.

I'm pretty sure that was Fred's Kineya ...


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 13:21 • #13 
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Kabuto 6623 custom build by Marty DeSapio ...

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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 14:17 • #14 
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Doc, I agree with Corey - think that was a Kineya "Amber Shadow".

I am not very good at judging comparative slowness in fly rods but my progressive 7' #3/4 Studio Thin Line is slow much like a 7 1/2' Hardy Perfection or 7' Axisco but with a weightier feel somehow - bamboo like. It may be a touch slower than either of them. Although the 2.6 oz. STL weighs less than the 2.7 oz. Axisco, the STL give the impression of having more heft in the blank - very controllable with an ability to cast in close.

Gearboy loaned me his 2012 Tiemco catalog and they list four interesting glass rods in their "Glass Master" series besides the two Wojnicki rods: The "Naoto Shibuya Model" 7'9" #3 five-piece @ 78,750 JPY (They note that it's Made in Japan). Three other glass rods in three piece are also cataloged: 7' #4 @ 68,250 JPY, 7'7" #3/4 @ 60,900JPY and 7'7" #4 @ 61,950. Interestingly, they are not listed as being made in Japan, so perhaps they are made in China. The lower prices may also point in that direction.

(The two Tiemco Glass Master Wojnicki rods: 7'2" #3 @ 99,750 JPY and 7'5" #4 @ 99,750 JPY)

Dylan, that's a sweet little rod that Marty built for you and the Peerless looks great on it.


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 14:18 • #15 
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Thanks Dylan! That's a looker!


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 15 May 2012, 15:12 • #16 
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Dylan - beautiful Kabuto custom build. The split rings/grip remind me of Orvis.

Corey/Duff - Kineya! Yes, that was that gorgeous rod I had in mind. Just finished looking at photos in Fred's past post. Gorgeous.


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Post 16 May 2012, 09:25 • #17 
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I have an Old Beech Quiet Loop VF662 that I got from a member here. Beautiful package, tube, sock and rod, very well executed. I had seen them and had to have one and really wanted to love it. I didn't. I cast every line I could get my hands on and then I found a 2 wt. Sylk line and now it is a fun rod! I had almost given up on it.
I am starting to save for a Kabuto. I am a rod builder and thought about a blank but I believe I'm going to bite the bullet for a Kab built rod. I like his style.

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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 16 May 2012, 09:46 • #18 
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Thanks all.
Just to clarify, Marty built the rod for himself and I since purchased it from him.


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Re: Japanese Glass Rods
Post 16 May 2012, 12:02 • #19 
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Doc, my STL 743/4 is slower than my Left Coast Tackle 734 (built on a Spruce Creek blank). It may be similar to my old Winston Trout 765, but I haven't had that rod in thirty years, so I'm going on distant memory--nothing like the green Winston of some years back, though. I agree with Duff that the rod feels like it's got a little more weight distributed toward the tip than most progressive tapers--very bamboo-like, only lighter overall than most of them at that size (mine is 2.7 oz). The tobacco glass really shows its character in the sunlight--simply elegant.

Nice presentation--Studio Thin Line 7'4" 3/4wt with milled aluminum tube and machined brass cap and foot:
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Tobacco Glass:
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Ready for action:
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Post 16 May 2012, 13:53 • #20 
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Thanks for the great photos, CC. What line do you prefer with your STL?


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Post 16 May 2012, 14:09 • #21 
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SA Supra DT4, buckskin color, of course!


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Post 16 May 2012, 18:04 • #22 
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I'm with you, CC. The SA Supra in buckskin is a great line and not too expensive given the era of $100 fly lines. I've used a version of that line in Buckskin for years but am always worried that SA will drop it (thought they did once but they changed the name from Ultra to Supra) - too good and too inexpensive. FWIW, I like a WF4 Supra on my STL.


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Post 16 May 2012, 18:44 • #23 
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Photo from Gearboy's 2012 Tiemco catalog. ..

Love to try the Naoto Shibuya 7'9" #3 5-piece but at 78,750 JPY it's really expensive. The Tiemco rods have a wonderful look I think - very traditional.
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Post 17 May 2012, 14:19 • #24 
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Thanks for the scan, Duff (and gearboy). Always great to see new glass being offered, even if I can't afford it.

Given new offerings consistently coming out of the US and Japan, I wonder if new glass is is being offered from Europe or other parts?


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Post 19 May 2012, 13:21 • #25 
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Navybass.com is a Japanese retail site that I discovered that offers a fairly comprehensive list of glass rods. They're all pretty tempting!


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