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Post 28 Feb 2023, 09:24 • #1 
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Hi All,
I am trying to locate information about an 8 1/2' Phillipson Johnson Profile 800 Uniglass rod. The markings identify the rod maker but not the rod weight or line rating. It seems heavier than a 5 0r 6wt . Diameter of the blank adjacent to top of grip is 1/2" if that info is of any use. I am wondering if someone could help with further details about the rod or a more precise way to research it? Any help would be appreciated.


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Post 28 Feb 2023, 10:57 • #2 
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That is a 7wt rod
Uniglass = Scotchply
All the Uniglass/Scotchply 8.6ft rods were rated 7wt
The 8.6ft Bass/BE rods were 8wt

You’ve got to go way back to the early 50s Phillies to find a 8.6ft 6wt


This 1953ish Challenger is actually labeled as a 6

The later Challenger “R” rods , Special “S” rods , Power Kast “T” rods all came after and were not supplied with a line rating on the rod or in the Catalog .
The Catalog listing I have just says “Trout Action” for all rods except the 9ft rods .
They were listed on the catalog as Bass Action.

Check the Phillipson/Johnson Catalog Tom has posted . It has your rod in it .

They are nice big water rods .
I rather like my 8,6ft Phillies.
Tight lines in 23
Scotto


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Post 28 Feb 2023, 13:57 • #3 
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The Johnson Profile mini catalog can be found at this link. Usually the rods are marked with an AFTMA line weight, but the label paint is easy worn off. The catalog lists the rods as "medium dry fly action" or "bass action". For the medium dry fly rods, I would try DT6 and DT7 lines to see how they feel. For the bass action rods, I would try WF8 or WF9 lines.

With any given line, if the rod feels like it isn't bending much, try a heavier line. If the rod feels too soft and unresponsive, try a lighter line. Whatever line works best for your overall fishing is the correct one, for your fishing/casting style.


Tom


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Post 28 Feb 2023, 17:36 • #4 
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Tom
Thank you for the link .
I was posting from work when the phones starting jamming and had to bounce :)
Here’s a shot from a reel mini catalog with a really cool fold out on the backside
explaining the uniglas rods .

I would say that the Profiles were the first to use Scotchply.
But we all know that Bulldog and Tom’s painted “expert” rods were the very first rods to have Uniglas construction


Kejiman
Would love to see a shot of your rod .
I’ve never actually seen an 8.5 profile 800 rod in the wild ..

Wanted to see what size the stripper and guides looked like .
Does it have the large and then down to small double spiral guides ?

A good line will turn the rod loose !!!


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Post 01 Mar 2023, 02:26 • #5 
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ottobahn wrote:
I would say that the Profiles were the first to use Scotchply.
But we all know that Bulldog and Tom’s painted “expert” rods were the very first rods to have Uniglas construction

Bill Phillipson began using Scotchply before the company was sold to Johnson*. My Phillipson Expert is not marked Uniglas. I've only seen that marking on Johnson Profile rods and literature. Weirdly, the mini catalog above has Uniglas® but the two rods I have are marked Uniglas©. Even weirder, I can find no indications that either Phillipson or Johnson held a Uniglas trademark. For what it is worth, Eponite was never a Phillipson trademark either.

Scotchply was produced by 3M. They sold a specific composite for fishing rods, type XP-231. The image below has a scan from a 1964 Johnson Rod catalog on the left and a scan of a 1967 3M Scotchply advertising brochure on the right. They obviously shared the fishing rod photo. Sorry the images and text are so small. The Scotchply text reads, "SCOTCHPLY" plastic Type XP-231 for fishing rods is 100% epoxy reinforced with unwoven glass filaments in straight parallel alignment couple with fine glass filaments for tranverse strength. Unweakened by crimping or weaving and without unnecessary reinforcement, weight and bulk, rods made from "SCOTCHPLY" plastic are perfectly balanced and read for action. As near as I can tell, Uniglas was simply a one word description of the XP-231 fiber pattern.


Tom

* Johnson & Johnson, Fiberglass Fly Rods (1996), page 81.



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Post 01 Mar 2023, 10:11 • #6 
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Yeah I should have said Scotchply in that reference.
Scotchply was 3m’s terminology..
Xp231 was the specific Scotchply product that was geared towards rods

Thanks for the card image Tom :)
That’s awesome !!

I almost bought a genuine 3m master product catalog that had the xp231 listing in it .
The same images you posted were in it .

Uniglas was just the name Johnson used to make it sound like it was proprietary to them .

From your experts cork sticker it looked like Bill was gonna use Scotchply..

After purchasing the Phillipson back from Johnson
He revived the Power Pakt name for use on the Scotchply rods .

HI also used 3m Scotchply xp231 for their top spec rods like Thunderbirds and forget the other rod that used it . Hi Test ?
Horrocks - Ibbotson called it “high impact glass “

For those who may be curious Scotchply became CyPly and now is known as NorPly

Maybe I should call them and ask for some xp231 ;)

Good stuff!


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Post 20 Nov 2023, 10:28 • #7 
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Ottobahn,
A long time ago you asked for pics of this rod. Not long after, some things went sideways and I forgot to check back on the thread regarding line weight for my Phillipson. If you're still interested, I can try to figure out how to post pics.


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Post 17 Dec 2023, 14:33 • #8 
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Were the SA System rods built from xp231 too? They were 3M, weren't they?


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Post 17 Dec 2023, 16:28 • #9 
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Yes, 3M owned Scientific Anglers at the time. But the System rods were built on Fisher rod blanks developed for SA. To the best of my knowledge, Fisher never used the 3M epoxy based fiberglass.


Tom


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Post 21 Dec 2023, 12:16 • #10 
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Kejiman
I’m always down for some Phillipson rod porn :lol
Would still love to see your 8.6 profile rod :)


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Post 31 Dec 2023, 14:05 • #11 
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Post 21 Jan 2024, 22:17 • #12 
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Thanks for posting up your Profile 800 :P
I love the bronze and gold reel seats
I have a new one stashed for an upcoming project rod ;)


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