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Post 19 Aug 2022, 17:14 • #26 
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Wowsa! I thought I was the retro guy with the heavier/longer rods, but you're the champ! That's some SERIOUS fiberglass!

I like the philosophy behind it, using the stuff the pioneers did--like skiers up here who telemark on old wooden skis with rat-trap bindings.

Good for you, man!


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Post 19 Aug 2022, 20:13 • #27 
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I have a 1498 Medalist that isn't heavy enough to balance my 9' Phillipsons.

What reels do folks recommend for their longer rods?


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Post 19 Aug 2022, 20:33 • #28 
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System 8 was one of my favorites.Without looking I remember it being 8ft 8in or maybe 10in. Great bass bugging rod with Cortland wf8f line.and system 8 reel.
Wish I still had it.


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Post 19 Aug 2022, 21:45 • #29 
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BrianN wrote:
paveglass wrote:
I have only two vintage glass rods rods longer than 8 1/2 ft that serve me well……

2. Fenwick (Woodstream) FL-7 (same as Fenwick FF-837)
Isn’t the FL-7 shorter than 8 1/2 ft (~8’ 3”)?


You are correct, the FL-7 is 8'3". I consider rods over 8' to be longer glass rods, just reread the OP and realize that I come up 3" short of his 8'6" request with the Fenwick. The Shakespeare is 8'6" however.


Barry---I use one of the bigger Teton reels with that Shakespeare FY-A510. With that reel's cage construction and the power of that rod, it is pretty much a bulletproof combination, and rugged enough for any environment. It is the rod and reel I would take if I ever go back to Alaska.


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Post 20 Aug 2022, 01:58 • #30 
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Donnie,

I'll check them out.

Thanks


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Post 20 Aug 2022, 13:55 • #31 
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Grassnglass asked: “What reels do folks recommended for their longer rods?”
Here are some vintage reels that I use on my longer vintage fiberglass rods with their weights. The weight listed is with fly line and backing on the reel.
These all have adjustable disc drags.

8-9wt (all with line and backing)
Orvis Green Mountain II (Martin 70SS) 10oz (1980’s) Cap= WF8-F +200yds of 20#
Martin M72 (multiplier 3:1) 12.5oz (1979) Cap= WF9-F +150yds of 20#
Martin MG72 (multiplier 3:1) 11oz (late 1980’s) Cap= WF9-F +150yds of 20#
Scientific Angler System Two 8/9 11oz (1990’s) Cap= WF9-F +330yds of 20#
Martin M71 12oz (1979)

9-10wt (all with line and backing)
Martin MG9 13oz Cap= WF-F10 +300yds of 20#
Martin MM910 (multiplier 3:1) 13.4oz (late 1980’s) Cap= WF9-F +200yds of 20#
Pflueger Metalist 1498DA 10.5oz (1970-76) Cap= WF10-F +150yds of 30#
LL Bean Angler DL 12.5oz Cap= WF9-F +200yds of 20#
Penn International 2.5 Gold 13oz (late 1990’s) Cap= WF9-F +250yds of 20#

10-11wt (all with line and backing) all are 1990’s
Martin SD1011 Trophy 13.5oz Cap= WF10-F +200yds of 30#
Scientific Angler System two 10/11 12.8oz Cap= WF11F +390yds of20#
Browning Strata MZ1011 (Martin LM) 12.5oz Cap= WF10-F +300yds of 30#

12wt (all with line and backing) all are 1990’s
Scientific Angler System Two 12/13 15.7oz Cap= WF13-F +300yds of 30#
Martin SD1213 Trophy 15.2oz Cap= WF12-F +350yds of 30#
Penn International 4 Gold 20.5oz Cap= WF12-F +400yds of 30#


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Post 20 Aug 2022, 15:01 • #32 
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NetMan,

Thanks for the information.

The heaviest reel I have right now is a 1498 Medalist with a Voss conversion.

With a ten weight line it comes in at 11.2 ozs and is still too light to balance my 9' Phillipsons and that's even with a four inch fighting butt.

Couple other reels for longer rods are a Valentine 95 which weighs 9.65 ozs and a 4" Young Pridex at 10.7 ozs.. Both weighed with their lines.

The original foot on the Pridex was too large for most reel seats and needed a pfoote conversion to make it work.

Barry





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Post 20 Aug 2022, 15:17 • #33 
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Barry, I used 1498DA (~8oz) on all my various 8.5' & 9' 'glass rods for decades and more recently have used the 1495 & 1495 1/2 on the 8.5' rods, but I haven't any idea if they "balanced" or not. I can say that substituting 40' of standard lead core trolling line some of the backing will add about an ounce to the reel weight. So 80' for two ounces, ect. and you should be able to balance your rod with a smaller reel.
A bunch of reels were weighed in this thread viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52469


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Post 20 Aug 2022, 15:47 • #34 
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Just to add to what Trev said which I think is a really good idea. In a past Post a forum member said that 12# lead core typically runs 10 grains per ft. which means 80ft would be 2oz or 800 grains. For larger reels you could use a heaver line weight maybe 25# or 30#? I think the grains per ft. are on the line packaging. Hopefully doing this will still give you enough space for backing to meet your needs.
Grassnglass: Those are really nice reels so hopefully adding weight this way will help them balance better.


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Post 20 Aug 2022, 16:15 • #35 
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Cortland charts of the past indicated one size lead (~11g/ft) for all their lead core 18#-60#, with a smaller diameter lead only for the 14# test, so any increase in weight with increase in line test is just in the coating being thicker. To weight a reel the 18# would be less bulky, but the total weight for 60# would be a couple grains more per foot.
I've used 25# and 30# for years as the source of lead wire for my fly tying. (also used to use it as sink tips)


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Post 20 Aug 2022, 16:34 • #36 
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Thank You Trev for that valuable information about the grains/ft of lead core!
It saves me and others here from having to learn about it the hard way.


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Post 21 Aug 2022, 22:40 • #37 
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Depending on the definition of “Vintage” my favorite is a Fenwick FF-84 from high school in 1967 but a Winston 9’ 7 wt that they refinished (wraps, reel seat, grip) for me 3 years ago was originally from the mid 70s.

My 1961 , first rod when I was 11, Berkeley 7 1/2’ 6 at is long gone lost somewhere in a fraternity house basement.


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Post 18 Oct 2022, 21:20 • #38 
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The rod in this specification which I own is a fiberglass Winston 9 foot 6 weight. It is a delightful rod to fish and cast! It also in a pinch handles a 5 weight line pretty well. I had a chance to speak to Tom Morgan on the phone before his passing, and he confirmed that this rod was one of the models which he took credit for.


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Post 19 Oct 2022, 05:35 • #39 
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Hardys made plenty of really good, albeit slightly specilised, longer glass rods in the Fibalite and Fibalite Perfection ranges:
- the 10'6" Invincible was rated 6-7-weight, for sea-run browns. It was also, in my experience, a good wet fly rod for boat fishing, and I used it in the sea with some success.
- the 10ft "Esk" was a slightly heavier model, rated for a 7-weight line, and expressly for river fishing for sea-run browns and grilse.
- the 10'9" "Drifter" was only a 5-weight, and, as the name suggests, designed for fishing from a drifting boat.
I had the Invincible for a long time: it really was a bit of an all-rounder, albeit quite soft-actioned by graphite standards.
I sold it to buy an even longer Hardy Graphite and have regretted the trade ever since: that graphite totally put me off Hardy rods.


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Post 19 Oct 2022, 11:03 • #40 
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This one. Lami 8190 factory build 8w. At 9' and only 4.02 oz, I can play with it for hours without tiring. Full flexing, very slow and very smooth, its a joy to cast. I can get plenty of distance with a WF7, though I haven't used it in much wind, so there may be a time where graphite could work better. That said, playing a fish on this rod is way more fun than graphite. I've only hooked one steelhead that threw me on the second jump...but it gave me a feel of how much fun this rod is with fish on...The FF90 is my second choice, a little heavier and a stouter butt, but a wonderfully soft tip which makes it fun to fish and catch too, for almost any size fish.

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Post 19 Oct 2022, 13:38 • #41 
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Three vintage ones come to mind:

Fenwick FF84 8'6" #5
Constable Sceptre (Fisher) 8'6" #6/#7
Cortland Leon Chandler (Fisher) 8'6" #5/#6


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Post 19 Oct 2022, 15:19 • #42 
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Hardy made all kinds of vintage glass 10' and over.

My favorite is a 9'9wt Fisher. I also like the 8'6" 8wt Fisher


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Post 22 Nov 2022, 22:08 • #43 
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I admire bulldog's Thomas Special & 8-1/2' Heddon, both 4/5 weights, but also am intrigued by the Wallace Flycaster. I always felt that the longer & lighter the rod-the more fun it is to fish. I was always a big fan of the old Sage 8'9" #2 (not glass though), preceding the ultralight craze.


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Post 24 Nov 2022, 08:54 • #44 
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Winston Unity with the Universe.


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