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Post 14 Dec 2020, 12:36 • #1 
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All, looking for info on this rod. Mainly what do they cast like, is it a Phillipson blank wrapped by A&F, what approx year made and if this rod has been rewrapped?

A&F, Featherweight, 7', 5w.

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Post 14 Dec 2020, 14:34 • #2 
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I think the wraps are original - they sure match the color on the A&F tube label.
it may be a Royal blank, which would date '66-72.
But hard to see the transluscent texture in your photo resolution.
Looks like a sweet rod.


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Post 14 Dec 2020, 14:38 • #3 
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Looks like it may have been varnished, both blank and wraps, a sign of good maintenance.


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Post 14 Dec 2020, 15:17 • #4 
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From 1962-1964 Johnson Reels owned Phillipson and did not sell to third parties like A&F. In 1965 Bill Phillipson bought the company back and began selling to A&F and Orvis again. Because the rod is marked "Line #5", I think it was made after Phillipson got the company back. Line weight markings were first used on Phillipson rods during the Johnson Reel ownership period. The rod has reelseat parts that were used during the Johnson period also.

The wraps are very much A&F style. Whether they are original or not is difficult to determine. If not, they certainly were replicated to look like the originals. Otherwise, it is likely at some point an owner varnished the rod to keep it in good shape.

As always, keep the ferrule clean!


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Post 14 Dec 2020, 15:56 • #5 
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Nice rod and it looks original to me. I have the 8' version, but with a glass ferrule(later version-I think). It has the same blank color, same tube and label and the same forest green wraps.
Mine is a smooth caster. It's got a little bit of what I call- an afterburner effect. Always shoots a little farther than I expect, but the delivery is soft.
In the 8' version, the model name(featherweight) is a bit of a misnomer, but I've grown to appreciate its fine fishing abilities over the years. I'm sure that yours will be significantly lighter in hand- a dandy of a rod!


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Post 14 Dec 2020, 16:12 • #6 
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Great score. Phillipson built ...Super Z ferrules ...just a beautiful rod. I have and continue to search for one in this condition. I hope you enjoy it.
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Post 14 Dec 2020, 16:17 • #7 
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Chris may be the best rod hunter on this forum.


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Post 14 Dec 2020, 16:57 • #8 
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Thanks all...this helps. After doing some more searching online of photos of these rods, if it's been rewrapped, they got it correct right down to the black tipping...excited to get it in hand.

Considering pulling the trigger on this one too (Phillipson MF76), though I wasn't sure if $125 was too much to pay for it. I don't use 7.5 foot rods as much as 7' and below. Looks unused.

Thanks Ron...my hunting rarely includes ebay.

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Post 14 Dec 2020, 20:04 • #9 
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Nice find,i used to have saved searches for all the companies that used Phillipson blanks as well as Phillipson .Was not able to buy any as i was always out bid.I became obsessed after finding a " fishing pole" in a local classified that turned out to be an unfished Phillipson JP 800 7.5. Wondering what i had actually purchased got me to this forum.I am now more into the 7' and under by great lakes makers Shakespeare,Heddon,St Croix etc.I guess because they are easier to find locally.I still fish the heck out of a 7' FlyFox tho.Best roll casting rod i have.


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Post 26 Dec 2020, 22:21 • #10 
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Recieved it yesterday and wasted no time getting in the backyard with a DT5 and DT4...was instantly amazed with both lines...maybe a slight edge to the 4...this is a deep flexing rod with a soft tip...what a sweet caster...very smooth and on the slower side...it immediately reminded me of the FF70-4...softer than the FF70 and deeper flexing, like the FF70-4, but overall smoother...definitely the sweetest 7 footer I’ve cast...very pleased...

The condition is remarkable...not a scuff on the blank, the wraps are perfect...the cork has no ridging...a couple very small marks on the seat end...I really don’t know if this rod has been rebuilt (very meticulously restored to factory) or all original and with little use and well stored...the sock is perfect...the blank is not particularly translucent, not really at all...it reminds me of tobacco glass but very light in color, almost orange...will be a ton of fun on 16+ Rainbows...I don’t know how common these rods are, but everyone should have one...

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Post 26 Dec 2020, 22:40 • #11 
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That looks like a very rare and sweet Phillipson shorty rod. Congratulations Sir!


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Post 27 Dec 2020, 01:21 • #12 
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The rod appears to be built on an Eponite rod blank. They have that orange coloring if they haven't been exposed to much sunlight (similar to Fenwicks). I doubt the rod has been rebuilt, but you can never really say that it hasn't.

Now you need a photo of the rod with a fish. :)


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Post 27 Dec 2020, 21:05 • #13 
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Very nice. I have owned several of these A&F's. That one looks original to me but it may have had a new finish coat at some point. I still have a pair of the later glass ferruled A&Fs. Very nice examples of Phillipson blanked trade rods.


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Post 27 Dec 2020, 21:19 • #14 
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I'm looking forward to a match with reel photo.


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Post 02 Jan 2021, 23:07 • #15 
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Fish photos are easy...once the weather warms a bit...

Ron, what are the top three reels you suggest? Prefer period correct and under $200 per...

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Post 02 Jan 2021, 23:28 • #16 
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How about a Hardy LRH? Or maybe a Hardy made Scientific Anglers System 5? Or perhaps a Hardy Featherweight? Classics for a classic.


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Post 02 Jan 2021, 23:42 • #17 
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Thanks Tom...I love the classics thought...tried the LRH...balanced a bit heavy at a touch over 4 ounces...a two screw Featherweight may be perfect...will be on the hunt...will look at system 5 too...

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Post 03 Jan 2021, 07:53 • #18 
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Sandman wrote:
Fish photos are easy...once the weather warms a bit...

Ron, what are the top three reels you suggest? Prefer period correct and under $200 per...

Sandman

Chris, my closest to this version was 3" or 3-1/4" Beaudex/Pridex - but you have to watch the foot style - need either the square-ended pre-'58 foot or a Young Pfoot conversion.
Also line capacity - the 3" has a Teeny line - the 3-1/4 will fit a WF



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Post 03 Jan 2021, 17:39 • #19 
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I now I am a little late to the post but I hope this helps. Here is one in the library.
Richard
More photos at this link.
https://www.antiquerodandreels.com/rodmanufacturers/133
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Post 03 Jan 2021, 21:44 • #20 
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Thanks Ron, can the Beaudex/Pridex reels be easily switched/converted to LHW?

Thanks reelill, exact same rod in similar condition. Further codifies the thought of being all original with potentially a coat of maintenance varnish.

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Post 03 Jan 2021, 21:58 • #21 
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Chris, easy for me, because I've done over 200 of them.
If they're RHW only (pre-'58), they can come out really nice, with the right process.
Spring bending is flattening the knee bend a bit to get more LH-lead, and spreading to recover the spring tension (of course flipping the pawl).
350-degree set temper the spring when you like the result.
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5550&start=25#p247945

I can do all the spring bending with one tool:
https://www.micromark.com/Small-Wire-Loop-Pliers


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Post 04 Jan 2021, 15:48 • #22 
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Thanks Ron. I can handle the spring bending...I'll get the pliers...been meaning to anyway...I did get the Wheeler screwdriver set a while ago.

I'll keep an eye out for 3 - 3 1/4" Beaudex or Pridex. I know these were branded Garcia too.

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Post 04 Jan 2021, 15:53 • #23 
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By the time Garcia picked them up, c. 1965, they had all the thick, short, round-ended foot that only fits certain pocketed reel seats.
Keep that in mind - Bob Selb (classicflyfisherman) sells an M-Young-foot.

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Post 04 Jan 2021, 16:07 • #24 
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Appreciate the heads up and photo...


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