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Post 14 Apr 2016, 18:26 • #26 
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Lunker,

That must be a beast of a rod. 9', 5 &1/4 oz.
I'm just intrigued to see all these different rods. This one is golden but without a serial number. It also looks like it has the "dip" that my 330 has.

I'm wondering if all these rods were golden to start with and the ones that have been dipped in varnish(or whatever it is) stayed lighter in color, or if the materials were just different.

Thanks so much for posting this one.


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Post 14 Apr 2016, 18:56 • #27 
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It is a honking big rod, but it feels as light or lighter than my '65 FF90 with a DT 7 on. I believe the 337 is a post 1956 introduction, and is intended for 7 weight. The other 9 footer, the 335, was a 9 weight. I don't know what the 335 weighed. It's in the '56 catalog. The only other 337 I've heard of is a guy on another board who has one with two tips. I find the styling and grip shape to be a kind of transition into the early Feralite style.


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Post 14 Apr 2016, 19:01 • #28 
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Those FF90 7wt's are nice rods too. I've been on the lookout for a 3pc, but the 2pc is really nice.


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Post 15 Apr 2016, 20:40 • #29 
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It is nice; the ff90-3 is the longest 6 weight they made that I know of. Thanks for sharing that A series rod, Carlz. That Mylar can be seen from space, I'm sure of it. I'm going to check google earth and find out your fishing spots.
Also, does the pattern in those transitional-era Fenwick blanks not look a lot like Eponite?


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Post 16 Apr 2016, 12:16 • #30 
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Lunker 75. What a cool looking fly rod! The inscription looks like it's done by hand. Is it?


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Post 16 Apr 2016, 13:33 • #31 
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I assume it is. That old, flattened, almost still Deco script is really cool.


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Post 16 Apr 2016, 14:30 • #32 
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Here is my old 330. Interesting, in the pictures it looks lighter than it is.
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My 315-4 and my very ratty 315 have the same dark blank and grip.I have an early FF75 that has the light GLOWSTICK blank, it has the more traditional cork grip.
I think the dark blank is the earlier version.


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Post 16 Apr 2016, 14:40 • #33 
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Sweeeet! I kinda wish they'd stayed with that flat, golden butt wrap. It's alright.


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Post 30 Apr 2016, 21:56 • #34 
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Love the old Fenwicks. Thanks for the photos.


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Post 10 Sep 2018, 10:17 • #35 
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Just purchased this and I wanted to add some photos of another early Fenwick...still waiting for it to arrive in the mail (photos from seller)


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Post 10 Sep 2018, 10:42 • #36 
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Welcome, TenMileRiver! That's a great-looking rod.


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Post 10 Sep 2018, 17:32 • #37 
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Thanks! I can’t wait to try it out. It will be my bass setup...just need to find a reel.


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Post 10 Sep 2018, 18:53 • #38 
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Nice.


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Post 10 Sep 2018, 19:54 • #39 
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That is pretty. Thanks for posting the pictures.


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Post 13 Sep 2018, 07:39 • #40 
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I have a nice 315 (on the right) and a 320 on the left. The 315 has Mylar wraps (much like yours) I take it fishing with a Martin MG-3 reel when I want to look retro. If I want to look really retro, I spool up an old nylon line I have...love the way it sings in the guides.

The 315 casts much like the later FF-70 and the 320 casts much like the later FF-756.


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Post 20 Sep 2018, 13:08 • #41 
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First let me say I do not know much about Grizzly other than they supplied blanks to Fenwick, while at the same time selling their own rods. I vaguely remember something about Fenwick acquiring Grizzly, as was the case for the major rod distributors acquiring the manufacturers of their blanks.

I have 2 categories of items that may be helpful to this discussion:
1. I have a copy of Fenwick by Victor R. Johnson, Jr., EP Press 2005
2. I have 3 Grizzly or Grizzly-Fenwick fly rods (in a storage unit)

Victor Johnson writes that the Feralite ferrule (aka Jim Green ferrule; aka taper lock ferrule) was granted a patent Jun-1-1965 (applied for Mar-23-1962). Further, that the first Fenwick rods with the new ferrule system were sold in 1962.

An excerpt from my spreadsheet on rods in storage is below. The dates are based on what I found in excerpts from catalogs (some years ago) and I acknowledge they may not be correct given sales started in 1962. However, the other details are correct.

Comments and corrections, as always, are welcome.

line weight distributor model # length ' weight oz years comment
6-7 Grizzly-Fenwick FL1022 8.5 2.50 1969 Golden Supreme glass; gold anodized Featherweight center ferrule; eagle logo
7-9 Grizzly-Fenwick FL1083 9.0 3.25 1970 honey glass; Feralite ferrule; eagle logo
8-9 Grizzly FL90 9.0 1969 Golden Supreme glass; gold anodized Featherweight center ferrule; bear logo


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Post 20 Sep 2018, 13:51 • #42 
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Interesting, I don't know, but if I had to guess, I would have said that the feralite ferrules started later than that.


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Post 20 Sep 2018, 14:01 • #43 
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majicwrench, Are you saying later than 1962?

Yes, if the catalog dates on models I found are correct. Based on my 3 rods, it looks like the switch from gold-anodized aluminum to Feralite ferrules may have occurred 1969-70. But again, I can't say with absolute certainty because it's been a few years since I looked into this and I would need to review further.


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Post 20 Sep 2018, 15:07 • #44 
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Yes, like I said, I would guess (again I have no real evidence, other than my old brain) that the tip over butt came out later than '62.


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Post 20 Sep 2018, 18:26 • #45 
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I have C-serial Fenwick rods with the Feralite ferrule; that’s the 1962-63 production year. I’ve also seen photos of A and B-serial rods with the taper-lock/feralite ferrule. These are “patent pending/patent applied for” Feralites.


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Post 21 Sep 2018, 00:53 • #46 
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From the Fenwick book, the Grizzly acquistion brought blank production in house.

By the time the later Grizzly blanks (feralite) were produced, it was just a branding/market segmentation strategy.

Lunker, don't you have a model B someplace with Feralite ferrules? I will have to rumage through but Fenwick had feralite at least at B if not A serial numbers, but Grizzly branded feralite ferules were much later.
I am also wondering about the "honey" grizley. Is that a painted-yellow or glowstick-brown rod or something else?


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Post 21 Sep 2018, 05:32 • #47 
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paveglass wrote:
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I have a nice 315 (on the right) and a 320 on the left. The 315 has Mylar wraps (much like yours) I take it fishing with a Martin MG-3 reel when I want to look retro. If I want to look really retro, I spool up an old nylon line I have...love the way it sings in the guides.

The 315 casts much like the later FF-70 and the 320 casts much like the later FF-756.


those are handsome reel seats, too - they look like business


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Post 21 Sep 2018, 08:07 • #48 
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http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?docid=0318 ... PN/3186122

Replacing the faulty link I had posted, here are the results of a simple word search (Feralite) at the US Patent Office, Trademark section. The next post by J Fishkat captures a key detail shown in trademark searches: first use in commerce.


Word Mark
FERALITE
Goods and Services
(CANCELLED) IC 028. US 022. G & S: FISHING RODS. FIRST USE: 19611201. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19611206
Mark Drawing Code
(1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number
72271697
Filing Date
May 17, 1967
Current Basis
1A
Original Filing Basis
1A
Published for Opposition
January 16, 1968
Registration Number
0846993
Registration Date
April 2, 1968
Owner
(REGISTRANT) FENWICK PRODUCTS, INC. CORPORATION WASHINGTON 1207 EUCLID AVE. LONG BEACH CALIFORNIA 90804
(LAST LISTED OWNER) WOODSTREAM CORPORATION CORPORATION ASSIGNEE OF PENNSYLVANIA P.O. BOX 327 69 N. LOCUST STREET LITITZ PENNSYLVANIA 17543
Assignment Recorded
ASSIGNMENT RECORDED
Attorney of Record
HOLMAN & STERN, CHARTERED
Type of Mark
TRADEMARK
Register
PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text
SECT 15.
Renewal
1ST RENEWAL 19880402
Live/Dead Indicator
DEAD
Cancellation Date
July 23, 2012


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Thanks for catching that the faulty link, J.Fishkat, which I replaced with a copy of the trademark history


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Post 21 Sep 2018, 10:56 • #49 
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whrlpool, your trademark link doesn't work, but thanks for pointing us to the document.

FERALITE trademark registration certificate

The trademark doesn't specify use for Feralite blank or Feralite ferrule. Interesting though is the first use in commerce date on the certificate: Dec-6-1961. That date requires documentation to USPTO of transport or sale of trademarked product (advertising does not count towards that date). Victor Johnson, Jr. also wrote that before it was known as Feralite it was called "Supreme Quality Glass".


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Post 21 Sep 2018, 15:20 • #50 
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Another point, the patent linked above describes the configuration with wording that explains the "aka taper lock" J Fishkat mentioned above. Patents are fun to read, debunking a lot of adpizzazz--or adding to it. Start reading the patents referenced within and you will lose a few days of fishing.


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