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Post 02 Mar 2014, 13:42 • #1 
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I have a double L with what appears to be a Fisher blank on the way. The wraps are green and gold tipped. its an 8' 6wt. looks unfished but I dont think anyones confirmed that Bean used Fisher blanks at least, I could not find proof. I seen another thread on here with the 8'6" but it seems as though it still is not confirmed for sure. Anybody know these rods? Any other owners? any feedback or pics are appreciated.


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Post 02 Mar 2014, 14:15 • #2 
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Glass or Graphite?


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Post 06 Mar 2014, 16:15 • #3 
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Its brown glass. For some reason, thought you were the owner of the 8'6" version I have seen on here.

This is the rod in question. It looks and feels like a Fisher to me. Any ideas?

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Post 06 Mar 2014, 17:09 • #4 
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I think you probably have the proof that Bean's sold 'glass rods on Fisher blanks. Hard to tell for sure from just photos, but I recall someone else being quite certain of the same conclusion on an 8 1/2' model. Makes perfect sense as Phillipson (who supplied a lot of Bean's rods) phased out in the early 70s. Fisher certainly would have been a logical choice for a company looking for an OEM supplier, and others, including Bean's competitor Eddie Bauer had turned to Fisher as well. An 8' for 6 blank was a stock model and darn good. That is a nice level of finish, too.

Bean's has good product histories and researchers if your message catches the right one at the right time. One of these days I will have to think to ask one of the guys who goes back that far, but you might be surprised what an inquiry to Bean's will bring.


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Post 06 Mar 2014, 18:24 • #5 
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I thought I had enough 8.5 foot glass rods until I saw that one.

Pardon my internet drool ;)


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Post 06 Mar 2014, 18:49 • #6 
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That really is a pretty rod. Does it cast like a fisher?

I wouldn't bet one way or another, but it sure looks nice.


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Post 06 Mar 2014, 18:52 • #7 
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That is a very nice looking rod! It sure looks Fisher-like to me. :P


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Post 06 Mar 2014, 19:04 • #8 
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First thanks for showing this nice looking vintage fly rod in very fine condition in a practical length and line weight. Well done.

I would agree that the rod looks like it was made on a Fisher blank. The only part that gives me pause is that the male ferrule end shows a bit of white. On my Fisher based rods that have the brown ferrule they do not show the white at the end. Nonetheless, looks like a Fisher to me and a nice one.


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Post 06 Mar 2014, 23:06 • #9 
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Thanks for the replies everyone. Carlz, it certainly feels similar to some Fishers I have cast. On the fast side of glass but smooth and ridiculously accurate. Grouse, I agree with you on the ferrule, it's the only thing that put me off. I am sure it is Fisher however, who else could make that blank?


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Post 27 Aug 2016, 16:58 • #10 
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Nice Fisher Double L. How about a 4 piece version. Model 806...
Phenolic resin rocks!

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Post 27 Aug 2016, 18:42 • #11 
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ARReflections, Yours is a sweet looking 4-piece version. Have you decided yet what you would be pairing it with? I generally pair my 2-piece with a Medalist 1495.


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Post 27 Aug 2016, 20:42 • #12 
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Stand,
Did a test run this evening. This is a very nice 6wt. Throws streamers very well. I now understand the praise behind the 6-7wt fishers. Not sure which exact fisher blank the LL beans double L rods used but it is sweet. This rod tells you how it wants to be handled. Once that is understood, I got loops that were so tight I was shocked. The Martin 5/6 LM reel is definitely too light. A Martin 6/7 maybe?

It has feel and muscle.

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Post 28 Aug 2016, 15:40 • #13 
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I have the 7'6" 5 weight version in 4 piece. I was told that J Kennedy Fisher era rods had hollow ferrules like these rods. Except that on mine the hollows seem filled with something white.

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Post 28 Aug 2016, 16:15 • #14 
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Very cool zed. The ferrules on mine is solid.


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Post 05 Oct 2016, 10:47 • #15 
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Got to bump this thread too. Guess I will have to post a photo of the rod I just picked up. Same in a lot of ways in that it is an ll bean 8ft 6wt but a two piece spigot ferruled unsanded blank. I think mine is from Bill Frank's production not Fisher though.


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Post 11 Oct 2016, 08:22 • #16 
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Ok, here are some photos of mine, an ll bean 806, which clearly is not a fisher based on the unsanded blank. It has similar wraps etc. which were probably all specified by bean.

The storage tube is a brown plastic tube with chained slip on cap. The sock is a wide open no separation brown material. These two accessories are similar to the pack rods built by Bill Frank who built many rods for ll bean and under his own label Timberline rods.

The first impression I had when picking this rod up was it was a fisher because of the blank color and the spigot ferrule. I was questioning it immediately due to the unsanded blank. The tipping point was the accessories.

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Post 21 Sep 2020, 01:14 • #17 
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Jeff, did you ever figure out if your rod was Fisher?


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Post 21 Sep 2020, 12:03 • #18 
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No, but based on the blank do not think it was/is. Most likely a Frank.


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Post 21 Sep 2020, 12:27 • #19 
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that would be worth gathering provenance if you can show you have a Bill Frank rod.


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Post 21 Sep 2020, 13:34 • #20 
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Moot point as I no longer own the rod in question.


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Post 21 Sep 2020, 17:57 • #21 
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I have a couple of diamondback LL-Bean graphite rods (unsanded and classic diamond weave). Very nice rods. I've always wondered about the different versions of the DoubleL rods.


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Post 29 Oct 2020, 22:06 • #22 
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I sent in a question to LL Bean asking if Fisher supplied blanks for the Double L. So far I have received only one answer in which the respondent said the older rods were supplied by G. Loomis. I sent back to him that Loomis didn't come on the scene until 1982, and the Double L series came out in 1965. I'm still waiting for a further response.

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Post 29 Oct 2020, 22:19 • #23 
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Lamiglas, Not sure I have seen fisher hollow spigots. Just my guess.


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Post 30 Oct 2020, 08:24 • #24 
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Just a side note - don't be too quick to throw the idea that the lighter unsanded blank isn't Fisher too. I just bought a NOS Fisher 2457 from oldschool on ebay, and the blank is unsanded. Gorgeous. Only difference is darker color. But just sharing to show that unsanded doesn't mean not fisher.


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Post 10 Mar 2021, 19:58 • #25 
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"Double L" is a Bean's product label suggesting a favorite or endorsement or by the owner/founder, Leon Leonwood (L.L. = "double L") Bean, something like "Bean's best." It isn't unique to one product line or supplier. These would have changed over the years, and more so as Bean's started to carry more and more products under the usual name brand. At one time, the "Acme" company might supply the Double L pant, but typically now, they would just be Acme pants.

So "double L" doesn't narrow the field for a general inquiry as there would have been many rods with the moniker over the years and several suppliers. Makes perfect sense that Loomis was one of them--and that a CS rep would think of them as "older," even if they came after the Fisher supplied fiberglass models. And yes, some Fisher blanks were manufactured with a hollow spigot ferrule. I don't know about that particular unsanded blank--it certainly looks Fisher--but the unsanded blank would have been easy enough to specify on a given OES order.


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