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Post 08 Jul 2021, 11:06 • #1 
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Location: Bozeman, MT
I spent the 3rd week of June on the Missouri with a handfull of glass rods. Met up with 11 others from my "old" club and drifted with guides for 3 days, waded for 2. I used a ********* 8'9" 5 wt for dries and either a Larry Kenny 8'6" 6 wt or my FF84 5 wt for nymphing. Many 16 to 22 inch fish with all rods, one guide mentioned that having a fiberglass rod in his boat was like bringing a knife to a gunfight but after seeing how the glass rods bent into the grip to fight and lift fish to the net for a quicker release than the graphite rods in the boat that only bent to the 3rd snakeguide, not much was said except "nice fish."

The FF84 with its Medalist 1494 that I've had since high school in the late '60s got a few head shakes too while we were rigging up at the launch but that combo has caught innumerable amounts of trout over decades but this it caught many of the 16-22 inch fish during this week, bigger than it's caught before.


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 11:15 • #2 
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Thumbs up on that. Thanks for the report!


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 12:32 • #3 
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I'd have told him I was keeping his tip so I could afford to upgrade .


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 12:33 • #4 
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How on earth could a 60 year old reel possibly work that well! :)


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 13:24 • #5 
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Location: Holly Springs, NC
Sounds like a great time catching those fish and especially getting together with the guys from your group.


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 14:58 • #6 
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Location: US
That is a great report. I was fearful you were going to report on drought conditions and fish kills.


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 15:52 • #7 
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Joined: 09/06/18
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Location: The Appalachian Mountains of WV/PA
It seems to me many guides have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to fishing gear.


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 16:02 • #8 
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Perhaps they spend too much time sounding like they know exactly what they're talking about when talking with the newer fly folk.


side story, I was talking to a local guide up here about tiger musky fishing (he doesn't guide for them thankfully). Now, I've never claimed to be any sort of expert on it, but I do have a bit more success coaxing them into the net than many. At any rate, this particular guide, after catching his first ever proceeded to tell me exactly how it was supposed to be done...I couldn't help but to just nod and chuckle.

A little bit different, but I think it's just a guide thing....trying to sound like they know what they're talking about in all things fishing even if it's not directly in their wheelhouse.


great report btw, didn't mean to sidetrack things too much...


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 17:35 • #9 
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Nice report - nice trip. Congrats!


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 18:04 • #10 
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“one guide mentioned that having a fiberglass rod in his boat was like bringing a knife to a gunfight”. I was told the same thing the first time I fished Lee’s Ferry. I fished an Epic 686 the entire day and did just fine. The guide even landed a few on the 686 and remarked wow that was fun. Sounds like you had a fine trip


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 20:54 • #11 
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Love it! Great report!


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Post 08 Jul 2021, 21:07 • #12 
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Location: Bozeman, MT
Stonefly wrote:
How on earth could a 60 year old reel possibly work that well! :)


I clean my equipment after every outing, stuff keeps working longer...except for having the friction material on the drag replaced about 25 years ago and making sure the frame screws are tight every year, the Medalist (USA made) has required little in the way of repair...only using it on special trips with the FF84 since the mid 1980s has kept the opportunity for abuse and wreckage to a minimum too.


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Post 09 Jul 2021, 09:13 • #13 
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Location: US-MA
This is damn good thread.

I get weird looks using old and less technical glass rods at popular locations. They catch fish just fine.


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Post 13 Jul 2021, 22:32 • #14 
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Joined: 11/16/20
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Went fishing with the guide in Utah for big tiger trout and before long he was loving my FF807. Didn't care much for the Phillipson I brought but I liked it a lot. Both handled tigers to 20" quite well.


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Post 13 Jul 2021, 22:39 • #15 
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Location: SW B.C.
The guides' primary concern is boating some good fish for the client to take their pic with and for that the best tool is a cheap, stiff graphite rod chucking split shot and weighted nymphs under a bobber. Fishing pleasure is way down on the scale of concern. ;)


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Post 14 Jul 2021, 08:33 • #16 
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Nice!


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Post 20 Jul 2021, 17:46 • #17 
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We are headed up than in early-late September, hope we can have memorable day.


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Post 20 Jul 2021, 21:27 • #18 
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Location: Hiroshima, Japan
Essentially, fly fishing is a fishing to enjoy revealing what fish want now, not fishing for efficiency.
I think the guide does not understand or miss the essence of fly fishing.
If he knew it, he would be interested in why you use fiberglass rods but would not have given you the negative view.


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