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Being Dealt To
Post 11 Dec 2020, 20:40 • #1 
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Just thought that I would let you keen anglers know that happened to me this morning. I was owned.

From October until the end of May each year, I spend my time wading the Tauranga Harbour flats hunting yellowtail kingfish. I do this nearly every day in all sorts of weather conditions, from dead calm sunny days to stormy 25 knot conditions. This is sight fishing at its very best. One of the tactics that works well for me and others is slowly wading in knee to waist deep water, keeping a lookout for short tail stingrays. These rays can grow to over six feet across the disc and may weigh over 400 pounds. Most of the short tails we see are between three and four feet across the disc. These short tails often have yellowtail kingfish riding them and we call these kings "riders." So when we find a short tail, the pressure comes on and a baitfish is cast to the short tail, the rod goes under the arm and the fly is retrieved hand over hand. If you see riders on the ray, they will generally chase the fly and if you are lucky, you get an "eat." You strip strike, manage your loose line and when the line is on the reel, you deal to the king and the king deals to you, and if all works out, the fish is landed and released. The Tauranga Harbour kingfish fishery is very delicate and is only 20% of what it was 5 years ago. The understanding is that all kings go back and if someone dares kill one, they are outcast.

This morning I headed out onto the flats to catch the last two hours of the outgoing and the first two hours of the incoming. I was using one of my favourite rods, a Fenwick Feralite (H) FF85, labelled as a #7, a 1990s Fin Nor #2 DD, an unknown brand and weight intermediate line and a home tied baitfish pattern. This combination is a delight to cast and in my opinion a beautifully balanced outfit. It was slack water when I saw a short tail stingray about 20 yards out, so I fired the fly out and started the retrieve. A big rider came off the ray, chased the fly and ate. I strip struck hard and hooked up. I tried to manage the loose line, but a tangle ripped up, into the guides tearing out the snake on the female ferrule and the first three snakes below the tip-top before the leader popped. My awesome FF85 and I were dealt to in what may have been two seconds.

While the Fenwick will no longer be original, I am looking forward to undertaking the repair job as soon as possible and getting it back out on the water for another round.

Cheers


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Post 11 Dec 2020, 21:06 • #2 
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Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, that is the beauty about fishing in salt water. Sometimes a critter will eat and you will have a very difficult time dealing with it, and every once in a while you will NOT deal. Sorry about your FF85.


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Post 11 Dec 2020, 21:18 • #3 
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I agree jhuskey. I look at things differently to most fly fishers. I don't believe that I own rods, I believe that my rods own me and I become part of their history, not the other way round. The FF85 will rise again and do battle with the Tauranga Harbour flats kings. And the new bindings and guides also become part of the rod's history. Cheers


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Post 11 Dec 2020, 21:21 • #4 
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Sounds like a fun, quick battle! I'm sure your adrenaline was pumping a bit.


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Post 11 Dec 2020, 22:24 • #5 
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At least it's a relatively easy fix -- a far better outcome than breaking the blank.


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 11:16 • #6 
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To paraphrase Cat Stevens. Like a pair of good old jeans. Patches make them better. :)


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 11:21 • #7 
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Go Mudfish. If I ever run in to that fish, I will let him have it. He doesn't want to be coming around the northern hemisphere with those kind of moves.


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 13:10 • #8 
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The FF85 has been put in the "hospital corner" to join two other rods that require attention. I am heading back out on the flats in a couple of hours to put the matter right. I have plenty of rods to choose from. Today, I will be using a one piece rod that I built on a late '60s Kilwell Conolon blank that was given to me by a fellow enthusiast. It's 8'6" and around a #7 / #8. While I prefer wading for kings because of the hand to hand combat action, I have a friend Lucas who guides clients from his specialised flats boat. If you are interested in seeing videos of the ray riders, salt fly action and our harbour scenery, do a search using the words king tide and Tauranga. Cheers


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 14:33 • #9 
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When I fished quite a bit in our Florida Keys, the usual species following very closely behind rays were Redfish, Bonefish and Mutton Snapper, picking up any stirred up goodies. Very cool just to watch also.


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 14:38 • #10 
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Again, go Mudfish. I knew you'd fix that fish. You can't let him get away with that.


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 15:30 • #11 
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Sounds like a fun time. Would love to see some pictures.

When I fish at the beach, it does not matter whether I catch anything or not, and I always come away with a sense of awe at the power and beauty of the ocean, and its creatures.


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 17:25 • #12 
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Nice website and awesome video!! Thought I spied an Epic glass rod being used.


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Post 12 Dec 2020, 18:56 • #13 
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The first time I fished the salt, it was an eye opener! Damn near was strangled the way the extra line shot into the air, though the guides, and around my neck when that bonefish took off. Whole different ball game from trout, panfish, bass, and pike!


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Post 13 Dec 2020, 02:21 • #14 
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Could have been an Epic jhuskey. Lucas often picks me up with his boat when I am wading and I know I have used my Epic 1080 Bandit and my Epic 888 from his boat. There are also photos on his site of a day we spent at on offshore reef catching schooling fish that were krilling with my Echo River Glass 369-3. It's a shame that I can't post photos of the fishing we experience. I have tried to but there wouldn't be a member on this forum with less computer skills than me. Cheers


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Post 13 Dec 2020, 04:30 • #15 
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A Tauranga Harbour short tail with two riding yellowtail kingfish.



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Post 15 Dec 2020, 02:33 • #16 
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Wow, I lived in Papamoa for a year. My wife and I kayaked the bay. Saw the rays and accompanying fish but never thought to fish for them. Have never fished the salt. Would have to keep that in mind as we usually get up that way every year or two.


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Post 15 Dec 2020, 03:39 • #17 
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BlackHackle - You are most welcome to contact me if you ever visit Tauranga and I'll show the ropes. I teach swf anglers about fishing for kings. My only condition is that any kings caught are released. The resource is very delicate and the flats kings are around 20% of what they were 5 years ago due to commercial and recreational fishing pressure as well as environmental factors. Cheers


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Post 15 Dec 2020, 17:59 • #18 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellowtail_amberjack

While not always 100% accurate, wiki info is interesting.


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Post 15 Dec 2020, 19:17 • #19 
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Very interesting jhuskey. The yellowtail kingfish certainly is not endangered as a species, however it appears that the kings that frequent the flats in Tauranga Harbour are like a sub population that spend the year in the harbour, frequenting the flats from October to the end of May, and the rest of the year around the shipping wharves and marinas. There have been several hundred kings tagged and these are sometimes recaptured a year later only a few kilometres from their initial tagging location. There are far less kings seen on the flats than five years ago and the numbers seen riding short tail stingrays coincides with this. A lot of short tails have no riders and those that do have far less than than we used to see five years ago and beyond. There are two commercial fishing licences operating in the Tauranga Harbour. One targets trevally by dragging a beach seine net using ropes many hundreds of metres in length. The trevally are kept as they are the target species and any kingfish are kept as a bycatch for the market. The commercial size limit for kings is 65cm, and the recreational size limit is 75cm. My understanding is that they don't spawn until their centimetre length is in the 80s. In the past (I am not sure about the present), this operation has not reported tagged kings. Several years ago, a friend who was helping hand haul the beach seine net managed to retrieve the tag from one of four tagged fish, the other three were not recorded. This is a shame as a lot of time and effort goes into the tagging programme. The other commercial operation targets the piper (similar to ballyhoo) and grey mullet which are both important prey species for kings. There are other factors that are involved too, the increasing enrichment of our harbour waters by nitrates and phosphates, and the resulting algal blooms. Sedimentation is another problem. The Zostera sea grass (similar to the Florida turtle grass) is affected by water enrichment, sedimentation and overgrazing by black swan and Canada geese. The Zostera is vital for the harbour ecosystem and also provides a nursery for larval fish, some species of which are important to New Zealand's inshore fishery. The drop of harbour kingfish has been noticed by other recreational anglers to such an extent that most choose to release any kings they catch. Outside the harbour, in the open sea, there are plenty of kings, sub surface schools that contain thousands of individuals of around 50cm to 60cm. Using a natural thought process, one would think that there would be a constant replacement of harbour and flats kings from the open ocean, but this doesn't appear to be the case. More kingfish tagging and tag returns may give us a better picture of the dynamics of our Tauranga Harbour kings. My friend operates a business catering for saltwater fly fishers pursuing kings and he is very good at it, and the kings that are caught are tagged and returned to be recaptured at a later date. One thing is for sure, a kingfish released is more important to the resource than a kingfish being turned into a dead slab of meat. And like I say, my observations and capture statistics put the Tauranga Harbour kings at about 20% of what they were 5 years ago and beyond. Cheers


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Post 15 Dec 2020, 21:25 • #20 
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It is in my very novice observation an extremely beautiful, powerful and noble fish. It sounds like you have your work cut out for you, as we say here in the USA. It also sounds like their are very dedicated conservation minded fishermen (and women), who will be taking on the task of preservation of the species. Cheers to you Mudfish Marquand !!!


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Post 29 Dec 2020, 17:34 • #21 
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Great thread; good to hear about the kingfish and the worthy efforts of anglers to conserve them. The photo certainly shows a powerfully-built fish; just looking at them makes me want to hop a plane to NZ and test myself against them. Oh wait, can't do that...

Thanks for a good report, and sorry about the rod. I'm sure you'll have it ready for more kingfish soon.


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Post 30 Dec 2020, 08:50 • #22 
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I headed back out onto the Tauranga Harbour flats for a wade with a friend yesterday afternoon. Early into the incoming tide, I spotted the dark shape of a medium to large size short tail stingray that was carrying a single riding yellowtail kingfish. I was fishing a #2 green/brown/white clouser and cast the fly close to the ray, let it sink and gave it a twitch. I felt the take but didn't hook up. With baitfish flies and popper flies you are wasting your time after two or three casts, but clousers give you a dozen or so chances. The short tail was slowly moving towards me at a range of only five metres so I was backing away ahead of it as I was casting and working the fly on the bottom. A few casts later, the king snatched the clouser off the bottom so I strip struck and set the hook. The fish fought well with long powerful runs, and eventually I was able to work it close, apply opposite side pressure until I rolled it close enough and secured it by the tail. The entire fight lasted perhaps 20 minutes and after admiring the well conditioned fish with its turquoise back, chrome sides with the bronze lateral stripe and the bright yellow tail, the king was released. I wasn't a big fish at 11 pounds, but they are very strong fighters. My rod was a home built one piece 8'6" Kilwell Conolon," and an old Ross Saltwater IV loaded with a Scientific Anglers Frequency Boost WF7F. It was a special king being the first I have caught on a one piece rod. About 30 minutes later, my mate had a shot at a medium size short tail stingray that was also carrying a single rider, but he couldn't get the king to eat. Cheers


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Post 30 Dec 2020, 10:18 • #23 
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Mudfish sent me some photos from his phone - here are a few of them.
Sorry for the delay in sharing them Richard.
Richard and Kingfish on Epic 686

Richard with a couple Kahawai (looks to me maybe also in Amberjack family)


Richard's mate Lucas with Kingfish

Another of Richard's mates and big Kingfish


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Post 30 Dec 2020, 14:07 • #24 
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Thanks jhuskey. The kahawai (Arripis trutta) one of four species that belongs to the Arripidae family and is found in both New Zealand and Australian waters. They grow to around 8 pounds, but most of the ones I target with glass rods from #0 to #3 with 3.0 pound leader are between 3.5 to 5.25 pounds. They are an opportunistic species and in Tauranga Harbour, their main food is mud crabs and this prey is plentiful. They also feed on krill, shrimps, larval baitfish, mullet, piper, etc. Offshore they can be found in surface schools where they are targeted by bloody purse seiners. Most end up being used as pet food or lobster bait. The second photo down is a 4.5 pound kahawai taken on an Epic 370 (that I named "Little Olive"), Sage Click III, Rio Camolux WF3I, 3.0 pound Maxima Ultragreen leader and a small #8 hometied fluoro pink baitfish pattern. The next photo down is another kahawai of 5.25 pounds, taken on a 6'6" #1 Speedline Oracle S-Glass, Sage Click III, LeiChi WF1F, 3.0 pound Maxima Ultragreen leader and a hometied #8 fluoro pink/white clouser. This is the largest kahawai that I have landed on a #1 rod, the previous best being 4.75 pounds landed an hour earlier. The ultra light fly fishing for kahawai is far more challenging than landing kings on #6 to #10 outfits. I generally keep the larger kahawai for eating because they are generally blown out with lactic acid and unlikely to survive release. The flesh is premium eating in my opinion and is rich in omega 3. However, they need to be cleaned immediately and chilled on ice as kahawai flesh tends to spoil quickly. I choose to use 3.0 pound leaders for the challenge, but the species is not leader shy and most fly fishers would use a 10 or 12 pound leader. Cheers


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Post 08 Jan 2021, 18:06 • #25 
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Some terrific fish there. Great stories, and photos.


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