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Post 07 Sep 2020, 08:53 • #1 
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I've only ever used my glass rods for small/medium streams and fish but I'm looking to get into some of the salmon coming up out of Lake Ontario. Would a 7wt glass rod be enough to handle these fish, or should I be looking for a 8 or 9wt rod?


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 09:34 • #2 
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It depends on the rod. Many 7-wt phenolic glass rods from the 50s might be under-gunning.
I have an 8-1/2' 6/7 inshore Japanese S-glass that would be right at home there.
So the difference is probably new/old.


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 09:49 • #3 
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When I was young and lived in Washington, 7wt was the standard salmon/steelhead rod, though some certainly used other things. Lamiglas, Fenwick, Shakespeare, Heddon etc.
Not sure how big your inland salmon are, but the deciding factor for handling a big fish is tippet strength.

Not sure what you are throwing for flies, 8 or 9wt will certainly make it easier to throw big stuff, but I can't imagine you are throwing big flies.


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 09:58 • #4 
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7 would work. Id go with an 8 though.


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 10:02 • #5 
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A 7wt is probably fine for Coho but you'll be under gunned with big Kings. If you're in big water, not as much of a problem with a smaller rod, but in the river, you'd be better be able to hold your ground. A 9wt or 10wt can be useful there. On the other hand... Last Fall, I took this 30 pound Crystal River King in from Lake Michigan (more of Queen, she was full of eggs) with my Steffen 8'3" 7wt 3pc...




Geez, I sure need to lose some weight! 30 pounders don't look so big next to me any more...


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 10:17 • #6 
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Thanks for the insights. I wouldn't be throwing huge flies, small streamers and egg patterns mostly. And the salmon are mostly coho and chinook. I'd most likely be going new, as the used market is pretty slim up here for glass rods.

Nice fish CrustyBugger!!


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 11:23 • #7 
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King is a nickname for Chinook. I don’t know how big they can get in Lake Ontario but they can get big and powerful and do whatever they want for a while. I was a fishing a pod of Coho (also known as Silvers) in the river when the above fish took my fly. All I saw were Coho’s. No need to mention I was surprised. I fought her for quite a while and didn’t think I was going to land her until she was up on shore. I would expect to land a fish like that in a small river about 1 out of 25 times or more with a 7wt. I knew what obstacles to keep her away from but I was still lucky. You don’t need a 9 or 10wt for the size of the flies, you need it to turn the fish around when they get that big.


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 11:56 • #8 
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BigHeavy wrote:
I'd most likely be going new, as the used market is pretty slim up here for glass rods.

Up here?
This is my plug for updating your profile (user control panel, upper right of the screen) to include some general location info. Gives context to posts about fishing in your area.
And sorry, I’m no help on rods for salmon, but sounds fun.


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 19:26 • #9 
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Sorry ‘bout that, I thought I had included that in my profile. I grew up on the south side of Lake Ontario but currently live on the north side, over the border. I’m in Ontario, about an hour northeast of Toronto. Will get on the profile update.

I’m starting to think an 8 or 9 weight might be the way to go. The waters where the salmon run aren’t wide where I fish, which had me thinking a 7wt would do the job. But being able to keep them from getting fouled up in fallen debris might take a bit more muscle.


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Post 07 Sep 2020, 21:10 • #10 
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IF you have to turn a fish, would you rather have a 9wt with a 10lb tippet or a 7wt with a 20lb tippet?
It's in the tippet strength when it comes to turning a fish.

That said, there is no good reason not to get one of each :)


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Post 08 Sep 2020, 12:55 • #11 
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Ha! One of each sounds just about right!

Does anyone have experience with an 8wt Fenglass? I've read that the 7wt Fenglass throws more like an 8. I'm wondering is the 8 throws like a 9?


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Post 09 Sep 2020, 05:34 • #12 
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For Chinook, I always go with a 10wt for reasons listed above. For Coho, I usually go with a 7wt. That said, I love my Bandit for both. Power to turn kings and bendy enough to keep smaller fish fun.


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Post 09 Sep 2020, 06:35 • #13 
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I think PNW salt-run kings are going to be a bit beefier than Great-Lakes-run - they had so much more rich food available.


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Post 09 Sep 2020, 20:23 • #14 
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good point.

Then again my Bandit is so damn fun to fish, I'll use it for anything from smallies to coho to steelhead to chinook to tiger muskies....


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Post 09 Sep 2020, 20:57 • #15 
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I would listen to novisor12


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Post 10 Sep 2020, 04:16 • #16 
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On the Great Lakes, I like a 7wt glass or graphite for coho and steelhead. For chinook (“screamers” we call them), I prefer a 9wt graphite - powerful enough to control* big chinook but easier on my body.

* I have never truly “controlled” a large chinook:)


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Post 11 Sep 2020, 11:23 • #17 
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My SA System 7 and Echo Glass Spey 7129 work well for steelies, but I think you’d want to size up for salmon.


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Post 11 Sep 2020, 12:48 • #18 
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8wt Fenglass here for Oak Orchard and smaller Ontario tribs. It does a decent job on the Kings....probably land about half of them....maybe a third of them......I will agree with the tippet portion of this discussion.


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Post 11 Sep 2020, 15:14 • #19 
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The GL Kings can have their way with you too. The bigger ones fresh from the big lake have eaten me and my 9 wt alive several times. One in particular is still in my minds eye as he bended me and took out nearly all the backing before breaking off. He didn't jump but just bulled away throwing a wake like a torpedo. I had zero success at turning, much less stopping, him.

Go heavier.


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Post 12 Sep 2020, 06:02 • #20 
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Steffen Brothers apparently don't make the blank anymore, but if you could find a used 8'6" 7-8 Weight that might be a good option. I use mine for Striped Bass in current and love it.


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Post 14 Sep 2020, 10:29 • #21 
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Here is a glass 9wt and I've handled a slightly smaller fish and landed it on a glass 7wt, but had a black drum break a leader on the next cast. A few weeks ago I caught a 4lb largemouth bass on a 3wt but I had a 10lb flourocarbon tippet. I think you just need to look at your setup when targeting fish.
https://youtu.be/vXK6AEO5lrw


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