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Post 28 Jan 2020, 10:41 • #1 
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I'm looking for a small stream glass rod. I currently have a 6'6" 2# cane rod but would like to get hold of a glass rod of about 5'6" in length in either a 1# or a 2#. I have the opportunity to fish a very small overgrown stream which holds mainly small wbt but has had one or two 18" fish caught over the years. I have found a rod builder who produces a 5'7" zero # rod but with the potential of hooking into a decent trout don't want to over-stress the fish playing it with a zero weight.

I also like the idea of glass being more robust when fishing in such a tight space as this.

Could anyone suggest a maker who produces such a rod or put me onto a website to review options?

Thanks,

Paul


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 11:16 • #2 
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Welcome to the forum. Small stream/creek fishing is my first love. You will get a ton of feedback here shortly. The choices of both off the shelf and custom rods are vast and you should be able to find what you're looking for.

Personally, I like to have a bit more line control and opt for short 3-4 weight rods as they are a bit more versatile in my opinion.

I've heard that the Scott FS 5834 https://www.scottflyrod.com/rod-series/view/F-Series is a dandy. I have no first hand experience, but you may want to investigate.

From a custom perspective you should be looking at http://cbarclayflyrods.com/ Chris is a forum member and a top notch builder. I personally own 2 of his rods and have owned and/or fished many more. Chris is a small creek enthusiast and this is reflected in his design and offerings.

Hope this info is a good starting point. Have fun!


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 11:43 • #3 
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Welcome. I too fish small, close trout streams a bunch, and I too have settled on 3-4 weights for my fishing. I’ve fished 2 wt. a good deal, but only limited time with 1 and 0 weights, and honestly, I wouldn’t expect any significant difference in fish stress based on the rod weight alone in those weights; tippet choice and fish fighting skill will pretty much determine that.

I have some Barclay rods in 3-4 wt, 6’4” to 7’2”, although none of those models are made any more. I have cast most of his current offerings, and cannot recommend his rods highly enough. I haven’t fished any of the the current Scott offerings but their older F2 653 is a favorite.

I’m not sure if the other current rod makers whose work I have fished make anything in that range; seems J Green does, and I enjoy a longer, heavier blank of his.

Some other makers who are active here might have something in the range you asked about, and I’m sure advice about their rods will be forthcoming.


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 11:47 • #4 
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I would also recommend C.Barclay rods. The craftsmanship is excellent and Chris really has a lot of expertise on small water rods. I agree with some of the others in that you may want to think about a 3wt; you can flip a small streamer if needed.


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 12:07 • #5 
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The best extreme "shorty" I've found to date is a Tiemco Bushmaster 5'9" #3 3pc.


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 12:14 • #6 
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Chris Barclay or Shane Gray (Graywolf)...


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 12:59 • #7 
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Blue Heron Japan Glass Geek model. I think one of the builders on this forum has built on these blanks too.


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 13:09 • #8 
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Paul, is the 5’7” 0wt. maker using glass? And you might want to look at this fairly recent thread:
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=66399


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 14:05 • #9 
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Definitely take a look at Chris Barclay's tapers......they shine in small water!


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 14:44 • #10 
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Sounds like you may have already checked out Shane Gray's 5' 7" 0 weight rod. You can always call Shane and ask him about whether that rod has the guts to get a fish in without overly fatiguing it. Or he could possibly cut down a longer 1 weight to get the length you desire.

Larry


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 15:42 • #11 
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Was going to say the Shane Gray rod could fit your requirements. I haven't fished bamboo but I really have got in to glass for small streams and wouldn't buy a carbon rod for fishing them now.
I fished my 370 epic last year one day and decided to change to a carbon rod in the same figuration at the end of the day, a decent rod built on a Harrison blank and couldn't believe how much less feeling there was in the rod, It just didn't load properly and felt light yet dead at the same time.
I just bought a Cane and Silk 4'10'' 2/3wt which I'm planning on using on really tight streams up here this year, it feels nice when test casting and they are very reasonably priced new, there is a 5' 2/3wt and 6' 2/3wt option too.


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 17:57 • #12 
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I like my Hardy glass 3wt and my H&I 5wt 'boo using the conversion handle. With the conversion handle using the top two segments of the rod it is about a #2 or #3 wt in feel and comes in around 5' 8".






I admit that glass is far more "robust" as it were in tight areas. I see your in the UK and not sure of the foliage in your area but here in the US up in the Smokies of North Carolina and Blue Ridge in Virginia a 7 foot glass rod really shines amongst the laurel and rhododendron hells found along the little bluelines I cut my teeth on. Glass does reel good for a bow and arrow cast under low hanging brush and handles bigger fish better in my opinion. It seems to have more "bounce" to protect tippet and imperfect knots. I find the 7 foot length also offers a better roll cast and gives you some extra umph if the water opens up and the streamside shrubbery abates for a good run or pool.


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 18:08 • #13 
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Fenwick made a vintage FF-535 (5'3", 2 pc, 5 wt), and reissued it as an FF-535 Fenglass (different grip and uplocking reel seat) some years ago. They are 5 wts and they show up now and again for sale. I have one and pretty much consider it to be a toy because it has such a short casting stroke. A far superior casting rod is the FF-605, 6 ft, 5 wt, 2 pc, which is a nice rod for tight spaces, roll casts pretty well, and still throws a line in the wind. But, I don't fish lines under a 4 wt, primarily due the the risk of facing a decent wind in the west where I live. Since you are looking for a lighter line, YMMV. Good luck!


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 18:19 • #14 
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The new Scott 5’6” 3wt. Would be able to do what you need and packs down small.Once you get a little line out it feels great.If you want a rod for really close in work you may have to go to at least 6’ Steffen or the older F2 653,Chris’s 6’6” 2wt.is really nice.........Aurelio


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 18:48 • #15 
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forgot to mention, there's a 5'5'' black Scott 2wt on the vintage tackle site in the UK, could be ideal. I thought about buying it but spent all my money on other rods!


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Post 28 Jan 2020, 21:56 • #16 
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+1 for Chris Barclay


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Post 29 Jan 2020, 02:48 • #17 
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mrhoogly wrote:
forgot to mention, there's a 5'5'' black Scott 2wt on the vintage tackle site in the UK, could be ideal. I thought about buying it but spent all my money on other rods!


I’ve looked at that a few times and have been tempted to buy. But I don’t really need it, I just want it!


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Post 29 Jan 2020, 09:50 • #18 
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As for contemporary builders I'd look at the Kenny 733 or Barclay 723.


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Post 29 Jan 2020, 10:20 • #19 
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The best 5'6" 1wt I have used was a 7ft 3wt.


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Post 29 Jan 2020, 11:55 • #20 
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Plus one on the recommendations others have given: Scott FS 583 (if it needs to be that short), Scott F2 653, or something from Chris Barclay. You should also take a look at the Scott FS 622 if you get a chance.

I've cast Chris' Synthesis 68 and it's great. I even wrote a post somewhere comparing it to the F2 653, which I ended up keeping and is also a terrific rod. Someone else mentioned Chris' 6'6" 2wt, but you should also note that he just came out with a Synthesis 60 6' 2wt. I have one. :) I'll write up some thoughts soon and share them, but the short version is that it's a very nice rod.


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Post 29 Jan 2020, 12:11 • #21 
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If you are not shy to a little DIY, and you have an older 8.5' rod that isn't worth much, you can cut down the butt half, slide on a cork handle and reel seat and have something to test out. I built one and caught some trout with it using a 4wt line. It is a little fast but still has the benefit of being better at shock absorption and durability.

You can test cast candidate rods just by holding it roughly where you would cut it and cast a bit to see if it works for the line you want.

I only suggest this as it sounds like you know the line weight you like, the only question is will the rod length be helpful, this way you can test it.


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Post 29 Jan 2020, 12:43 • #22 
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Here's the old 'boo used as a bantam rod and the Hardy glass in action in Colorado on some willow lined bluelines on the side of Pike's Peak. Little wild bows and Pike's Peak mutt throats were a blast on these buggy whip rods. Just saw where someone suggested turning an older glass rod into a bantam and that would be extremely entertaining in my opinion.






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Post 29 Jan 2020, 12:57 • #23 
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The rods I reach for most frequently for small stream fishing are my Barclay 68 and Steffen 6ft 2/3 2pc. They cover all my needs for small streams. Of course, one does not stop at what “one needs”. I could easily reach for one of my other short, lightweight rods, including my Lamiglas 6’6” 3wt 3pc; Lamiglas 7’ 3wt 3pc; Lamiglas 7’3” 4wt 4pc; Scott F2 6’ 2wt 2pc; Riffle 7’3” 3/4 3pc; JP Ross (McFarland) 6’11” 3wt 3pc; Paddock 6’10” 3wt 3pc; or several others I can’t recall at the moment.


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Post 31 Jan 2020, 10:24 • #24 
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On a tangent.....any of you ever find the need for a longer rod for small streams? such as a 8.5ft 4wt. more control and casting distance.


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Post 31 Jan 2020, 11:32 • #25 
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For the budget minded the Olde English Fly Shoppe has a great blank that is a sub 3 wt. For short I like my Ijuin 5' and change rod.


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