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doug in co
Post 28 Mar 2019, 14:19 • #26 
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bulldog1935 wrote:
..since the DT can't shoot line..


I can cast out the full length of a 30yd line under good conditions, both WF and DT.
In poor conditions like a headwind, the DT casts further, since more of it can be aerialized and the heavier line carries the applied power better..
shooting line into a headwind don't work well, though it can be made to work with a specialized overweighted long shooting head. Normal WFs aren't optimal here.

clarkman23 wrote:
Would an old antiquated line work fine?

sure there are specialized lines that work well for specialized cases. I use them. But for all-round fishing nothing is better than DT. It's no more 'antiquated' than click/pawl reels, or glass rods..
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bulldog1935
Post 28 Mar 2019, 15:49 • #27 
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you're not alone in this skill, but rarely if ever is there a need to fish that way.
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clarkman23
Post 28 Mar 2019, 21:28 • #28 
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doug in co wrote:
But for all-round fishing nothing is better than DT for me


there, fixed it for ya! ;)

Point being, there's never going to be agreement on a single "best" line for everyone (even if limited to a single weight). I can't imagine if everyone only fished one brand and weight of a glass rod either, can you? For example, what's your favorite trout rod/reel/line? Mine is my a Steffen 8' 5/6/Sage Click/Airflo Elite WF6F. Perfect for me....probably not for everyone.

Cheers...
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bulldog1935
Post 28 Mar 2019, 21:40 • #29 
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pretty clean there - match your line to your fishing.
I have one of the Cortland 10m DT that BPS sells, and it's perfect where I take my Lami 605.
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Post 28 Mar 2019, 22:04 • #30 
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yep, clean as a whistle....
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Trev
Post 29 Mar 2019, 07:30 • #31 
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Versatile probably isn't perfect for some applications but can be used for many applications by people of many skill levels; perfect for any application (or skill set) makes a tool a specialty tool.
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Kalgrm
Post 29 Mar 2019, 18:00 • #32 
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I agree with Trev and Doug: By definition, a versatile line can do lots of things.

Likewise, by definition, specialised lines are very good for performing specific tasks (e.g. fishing a big fly at a certain depth).

Since a DT line has the longest usable mass, it can do the most tasks. It's very versatile.

DT lines are:
    * Able to cast to the full length of the line*
    * Able to cast to short distances
    * Able to cast very well in the wind
    * Possible to mend at any length
    * Possible to Roll cast at any length
    * Possible to Spey cast at any length
    * Able to be lifted and recast at any length
    * Able to present a fly with delicacy or not
    * Able to be reversed to extend the life of the line. (Unique to DTs)
    * Cheap

I don't know of another style of line that can tick all those boxes, so I'd say DT lines are the most versatile.

Line taper design for versatility is another thing, but generally, simple is better. Get the versatility required by intelligent use of leaders.

Cheers,
Graeme

* They do shoot, but not as well as a WF line at short carry lengths. Get 40' of line in the air and they shoot quite well. :)
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dmiller328
Post 29 Mar 2019, 19:14 • #33 
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So far I have been using a Rio Selective Trout 4 WF and it feels like it has a very long front taper , it only cast small flies well. Then a Rio Gold 5 WF which I really like for panfish poppers and wooly buggers, it really lets the parabolic butt kick in using my Barclay Synthesis 79. Also a Cortland 444 SL 4 DT which I also like to use especially with my Paddock built 744 Lamiglas, the line is very slick so it shoots very well if needed but the main issue is the tip sinks. I have a SA GPX 4 wt DT on the way to me. I am hoping it will be a good go to line for those rods and the Fisher 2457 rod I am building.

For my LL Bean Double L 8’ 6 wt Fisher fiberglass blank I like to use a 406 6wt DT and a Teeny Smallmouth Bass 6wt WF line for bigger more wind resistant flies with it.

Overall I need to work on adjusting the leader length to the size fly and conditions better.
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bulldog1935
Post 04 Apr 2019, 07:36 • #34 
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A paraphrase that comes up frequently on fly fishing forums is "I can cast a full DT"
The proper response is, but why would you want to? (there's no mending across 4 or more seams)
WF lines aren't evil, shooting a fly line isn't an evil act.
I've always been in a hurry to get the most fishing with the fewest possible cast iterations.
More than a couple of times, people watching me land fish after fish have asked "are you fly fishing?"
"Then why aren't you doing this?" *making whipping motions*
Well, if I was doing that, I wouldn't be fishing, would I.
Shadow casting? (from the movie). Doing that 40 years ago so could take my slider across the riffle to the next flagstone pool without winding up my working line - I just thought I was being lazy. (contrary to the premise in the movie, it puts fish down rather than brings them up)
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Post 04 Apr 2019, 07:50 • #35 
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bulldog1935 wrote:
A paraphrase that comes up frequently on fly fishing forums is "I can cast a full DT"
The proper response is, but why would you want to? (there's no mending across 4 or more seams)
WF lines aren't evil, shooting a fly line isn't an evil act.
I've always been in a hurry to get the most fishing with the fewest possible cast iterations.
More than a couple of times, people watching me land fish after fish have asked "are you fly fishing?"
"Then why aren't you doing this?" *making whipping motions*
Well, if I was doing that, I wouldn't be fishing, would I.
Shadow casting? (from the movie). Doing that 40 years ago so could take my slider across the riffle to the next flagstone pool without winding up my working line - I just thought I was being lazy. (contrary to the premise in the movie, it puts fish down rather than brings them up)


This gave me a good chuckle...

I'm straying a little too far from the original topic here, but I always get a good chuckle when I'm out on the water and see this. One particular instance comes to mind during the stonefly/salmonfly hatch out here on the Deschutes. I was watching this fella with his super duper fast action graphite (judging by how little it was loading with the amount of line that was out & line speed he was generating). He performed a solid 30ish (I stopped counting) false casts before presenting the fly. He was pretty intense about the whole thing and was actually a pretty good caster (even better false caster). I never did see that rod bent with a fish on the other end...

I like to live by the motto, "as few as possible, as many as necessary"
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bulldog1935
Post 04 Apr 2019, 08:22 • #36 
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I'm sure he had an excellent casting instructor.
Here's my favorite Airflo Chalkstream 6-wt - I wouldn't know how to replace this line from current models, but thank eternal powers for closeouts.
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Trev
Post 04 Apr 2019, 14:24 • #37 
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What does good and evil have to do with versatility?

Any given day at the trout parks you can watch a few shadow casters spend half their time false casting. If you walk the area behind these folks later you can find all sorts of like new flies in the grass. Most of these folks are good casters too, and all have high dollar outfits. I think there must a school or instructor that teaches this.
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bulldog1935
Post 04 Apr 2019, 14:37 • #38 
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then consider it was like humor
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Trev
Post 04 Apr 2019, 15:55 • #39 
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ahh, some days I'm slow, well most days I guess..
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Cyguy
Post 27 Sep 2021, 06:21 • #40 
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I’ll say this about Cortland Peach 444 DT lines … they work for me! I am a work in progress God knows as a Fly fisherman … but this line gives me my best days on the water. It is the best line I have for overhead, Belgian and Roll Casting; indeed very versatile. As far as the tip sinking I clean the line religiously and if I am on the water for a long time I’ll treat the tip with a few wipes of Otter Butter.
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