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Post 04 Apr 2018, 19:27 • #51 
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Hi Guys, Great thread! It's been years since I've even caught a sunfish of any type. I used to, but we don't have them here in the mountains. I get to Michigan every few years and we actually target the Bluegills, but end up with other species....... May this year.....

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Post 05 Apr 2018, 07:20 • #52 
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Trev wrote:
Funny-curious that most of my life I heard longears called pumpkinseeds and only a few years ago determined that I probably have never seen a pumpkin seed. I have no pictures and don't know how to add them if I had, but do like seeing the ones you all post, thanks.


I believe pumpkinseeds are a different, but closely related species (Lepomis gibbosus). The ranges overlap, particularly in the upper Midwest, but pumpkinseeds are primarily a Northeastern and mid-Atlantic species, with longears (Lepomis megalotis) taking over in the Southeast down into northern Mexico.

Both are really striking fish, in my opinion.


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Post 05 Apr 2018, 12:06 • #53 
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thread drift, sorry.. just to get some more pictures on here ;-)
the South African equivalent of sunfish is the large and varied assortment of cichlids/tilapia.
from my childhood, vlei kurper:

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too small for eating but prolific and will take flies, lures and bait, excellent small-boy fish. Bluegill-equivalent, basically.

Canary kurper, generally regarded as a pest, but it was always better than getting skunked.

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the real quarry was usually the blue kurper, now also available in your supermarket as tilapia.. mostly 1-2lbs, 3lbs a big one. Here's a huge one from a private farm pond. In a public fishing area this would have been eaten long before this size..

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Post 05 Apr 2018, 12:59 • #54 
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Trev wrote:
Funny-curious that most of my life I heard longears called pumpkinseeds and only a few years ago determined that I probably have never seen a pumpkin seed.


I never knew long-ears were called "Pumpkin seeds" The photo I posted in #12 is of "Lepomis gibbosus", called pumpkin seeds up north. The red crescent on the opercular gill flap is diagnostic.


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Post 05 Apr 2018, 13:22 • #55 
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Most local fishers don't know all the correct names for all the species, another example is referring to all sunfish other than black bass as "perch" and warmouth/rock bass as "black perch". In southern New England all sunfish might be called "kiver" or "roach" and crappie are called "calico bass".


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Post 05 Apr 2018, 13:44 • #56 
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I did a trip down to the Okefenokee last year and learned all sorts of new names. I never heard a warmouth to be called a perch before. My favorite was the bowfin---mud fish locally, but also called "cypress trout".


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Post 05 Apr 2018, 17:35 • #57 
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Got in quite an argument with a buddy about longears and seeds.A lake in so illinois has a wonderful panfish population.Crappies are the the most abundant these days with some big ones caught daily.Have been going to this lake every april for 15 years.There are tons of longears,called a longear because of the long dark flap on the gill plate and their colors are over the top.My friend kept calling them seeds.Then we started catching seeds and he called them red ears.Then we caught some actual redears.He called them southern bluegills.At least he called the big fat northern strain bluegills,bluegills.


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Post 05 Apr 2018, 23:08 • #58 
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As long as everybody knows what they're talking about, usage of common names is expected to vary by region.
In most of the Mississippi drainage, a white bass is called a striper.
Obviously we don't have any perch in the south (excepting percoids, the family of perch-like fishes), but most everything is called a perch.
I'll throw in our native cichlid (which also gets called a perch, and it's not even in the same order as perch).
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Post 06 Apr 2018, 00:26 • #59 
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Another from the Southern Ohio East fork tail water.
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Difference seen in an example from a Plano Texas suburban waterway.
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When I moved to Texas seemed like folks used the name brim for all panfish, bluegill, longears, and similar fish. Took me awhile to figure out that a perch was referring to what i knew as bluegill. I thought folks were talking about yellow perch.
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Post 06 Apr 2018, 06:12 • #60 
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bream-busting and perch-jerking are terms you hear frequently here (from fly fishermen and conservationists) - means the same thing

thanks for ponying up with the upper-Trinity-river-drainage longear - hot burnt orange.


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Post 06 Apr 2018, 06:45 • #61 
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Sunfish were put on earth so little children could learn to fish. Thank goodness they also learn to share with us big kids.


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Post 06 Apr 2018, 14:25 • #62 
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Have been fascinated with sunfish my whole life.I fish some old limestone quarries.Some are mere yards from each other.One may have vodka clear water while the next is stained.The color differences of the fish,all fish can be night and day differences.All these places were quarried in the last 150 years or so.Who knows who stocked them.They have all adapted to different water clarity and chemical makeup .The clear water fish are much more colorful by the way.


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Post 14 Apr 2018, 15:58 • #63 
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Hit another part if the upper trinity watershed around Farmers Branch Tx.

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Went to another section and the bite stopped. Wonder why....



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Then this non-brim eyed the fly...
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Post 14 Apr 2018, 16:00 • #64 
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"Snakes. Why did it have to be snakes?" -- Indiana Jones


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Post 14 Apr 2018, 16:15 • #65 
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I've caught lots of longears here in Oklahoma, along with bluegills, redears, and green sunfish, but I was fishing the San Gabriel in Georgetown, TX last September when I caught my first red breast. My first thought was "this is what should have been called longear".

Larry


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Post 14 Apr 2018, 20:02 • #66 
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Canoeman1947 wrote:
I've caught lots of longears here in Oklahoma, along with bluegills, redears, and green sunfish, but I was fishing the San Gabriel in Georgetown, TX last September when I caught my first red breast. My first thought was "this is what should have been called longear".

Larry


A lot of folks are confused on that issue, Larry. I read somewhere that the type specimen for the longear had been injured and had an abnormally long opercular flap. Or maybe they hadn't seen the redbreast (yellowbelly) yet.


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Post 15 Apr 2018, 09:23 • #67 
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Eric, sorry your bream fishing (way I learned to spell it as a kid) was interrupted by an interloper. Airrite 10 pc. 3 wt.? Must've been fun. (Not that it wasn't fun on the bream.)


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Post 15 Apr 2018, 09:31 • #68 
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thanks Eric, those are nice.


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Post 15 Apr 2018, 09:44 • #69 
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Eric,
I suppose that "non-brim" felt pretty good on that Airrite. But then just about everything feels pretty good on those rods.

Larry


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Post 15 Apr 2018, 10:47 • #70 
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Ha. Yes bream - gotta love auto "correct". The bream were most certainly not long ears per thread title. Ron's long ear examples contrast the difference very well.

That snake was quite long, probably got a third of it in the shot. Actually a remarkable specimen as I stared at it before thinking about getting a photo.

I love fishing the Airrite 10 piece. Assembly is a pain but the fishing experience is very well worth it. I fish it with a 4wt and it does extremely well. Roll cast and bow and arrow are delivered wonderfully. Perfect for the stream environment and associated denizens.


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Post 20 Apr 2018, 06:23 • #71 
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Ha. Yes bream - gotta love auto "correct". The bream were most certainly not long ears per thread title. Ron's long ear examples contrast the difference very well.

That snake was quite long, probably got a third of it in the shot. Actually a remarkable specimen as I stared at it before thinking about getting a photo.

I love fishing the Airrite 10 piece. Assembly is a pain but the fishing experience is very well worth it. I fish it with a 4wt and it does extremely well. Roll cast and bow and arrow are delivered wonderfully. Perfect for the stream environment and associated denizens.
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Post 20 Apr 2018, 10:16 • #72 
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Gotta go find my pics.

The varieties of sunfish and how they hybridize are legion. It's pretty crazy. But they all fight like hell and are tons of fun on a fly rod. I generally just throw them all under the category of "bream" as a catch-all or as I've heard from some Minnesota friends "sunnies." Even though those monikers aren't strictly correct they generally convey what you're talking about. Frankly, it's rare to discuss with anybody who understands the differences.


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Post 20 Apr 2018, 10:47 • #73 
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I agree,sometimes it is hard to find a pure strain n bluegill around here.Between stocking by the DNR or other gov bodies and by well meaning anglers.I believe i caught a green redear hybrid last year.I fish a place that has 6 or 7 old quarries and the I&M canal located within a park.I can cross a gravel road and catch completely different isolated strains and cross bred sunfish.


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Post 20 Apr 2018, 15:34 • #74 
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I never grew out of sunfish. I've been fortunate enough to fly fish in exotic destinations, and have caught massive tarpon, bones, permit, etc., but bluegill remains one of my favorite species to target. I'll never grow tired of them. Here’s a few photos from my instagram @jasonwfarrar

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Post 18 Jan 2023, 18:21 • #75 
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Bulldog,


From a small creek that drains into Town Lake- downtown ATX
Photo doesn't do it justice- super colored up, esp the blues.


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