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Post 14 Nov 2013, 21:09 • #1 
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What's the most cost effective lathe I can buy for sanding cork grips? Don't need anything heavy duty just something I could use for the occasional sand job.


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Post 14 Nov 2013, 21:34 • #2 
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Harbor freight has some inexpensive lathes that work well. Not great for inserts but fine for cork.


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Post 14 Nov 2013, 22:17 • #3 
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I have been using a high speed Milwaukee hand drill and a 12" steel round stock bar. If I build more than a couple rods a year I would get a lathe, but this works just fine.


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Post 15 Nov 2013, 00:17 • #4 
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You will like a drill better if you have a vice to go with it.


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Post 15 Nov 2013, 01:35 • #5 
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some scrap plywood will make you a contraption to hold your drill and the thread rod you need to turn cork. a couple of bolts and washers and you're good to go.
I turned a dozen cork grips on mine, and I'm quite happy with the result. actually, turning cork is the part I enjoy best in rod building.


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Post 15 Nov 2013, 05:10 • #6 
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I'm having trouble visualizing this ... how do I chuck up a rod to my drill to turn it?


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Post 15 Nov 2013, 05:43 • #7 
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As Pete said, really all you need for occasional sanding and grip shaping is an electric drill. Many like to make a jig to hold it and the far end of the rod section, but even that isn't necessary. If uncomfortable, get a broken scrap rod, easy enough to come by, chuck it up in a drill and spin it. If that does feel unstable, then you can make a simple jig. Here are some links with the simplest to more elaborate, but still inexpensive, methods.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=15371&hilit=simple+tool#p93836

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13106&p=81510&hilit=simple+tool#p81510


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Post 15 Nov 2013, 05:45 • #8 
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A drill press is a tool that you can use for so many drilling jobs and it's very good for making grips. Most have variable speed by repositioning the belts and allow a faster speed (which is good for grips) than your typical hand drill. You can pick them up pretty cheap new at Home Depot, Lowes, or used on your local Craigslist. The end of the mandrel should be supported with a jury rigged support "bearing" made from plywood or other material -- this is true even if you just use a bench mounted hand drill.


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Post 15 Nov 2013, 08:36 • #9 
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My rod 'lathe' is cobbled together from wood and an old motor with a speed control. I use masking tape to attach the rod blank to the motor shaft. If something jams the tape rips rather than breaking the blank. A few pieces of carpet scrap cushion the rod blank while I turn the grip. Something similar could be rigged with a drill instead of an old motor.

The rig is about 4 feet long and the two rod supports can be moved from one end to the other. It is convenient for wrapping and finishing too.

Tom

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Post 15 Nov 2013, 09:29 • #10 
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If you are just turning grips, you can by this hobby sander from Grizzly:
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Hobby-Lathe-Disc-Sander/H2669
At $59, including shipping, it's a great way to turn a few grips. A wood rasp, or a stanley sureform tool and sandpaper in grits from 80 to 400 is all you need to get started.

You'll need either a chunk of threaded rod, or a mandrel to turn grips on, then remove and transfer to the rod.

A midi lathe capable of turning grips up to 14" in length will come in under $300 if you shop around. This will also give you the capability of turning wood reel seat inserts and grips. You'll need to add in a self centering chuck, plus the mandrels and tools above. If you want to turn any wood inserts, you'll need to add in a set of turning tools. This is the tool I currently have and use it often.

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Post 15 Nov 2013, 18:19 • #11 
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You can glue the cork in place on the blank and place the blank into your drill using the part of the blank you will be putting a reel seat over. You will need a 1/2" drill, something to protect the blank and some kind of support for the other end. A weighted box with a hole in it will work. Having a support for the drill is a plus because it leaves both hands free.


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Post 16 Nov 2013, 01:31 • #12 
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I for one would never turn the cork directly on the blank. I think the blank is too fragile to risk it spinning at turning speeds. I glue the cork rings pressed on a thread rod, turn the grip to shape, then ream it and glue it to the blank.


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Post 16 Nov 2013, 05:57 • #13 
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Definitely don't turn a grip on the blank if in fear of damaging it. A little practice on a junk, though, will show that they turn just fine. Any rig, I suppose, is a bit more accident prone, but the blank is more than strong enough. The advantage is perfect concentric fit, a uniform thin glue joint, and the ability to shape exactly to hand/feel on the particular rod for which it is made.


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Post 16 Nov 2013, 11:51 • #14 
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Flexcoat makes an inexpensive drill powered cork lathe. You could build your own based on the photos as well.

http://www.flexcoat.com/learning-center. .. nd-tricks/


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Post 16 Nov 2013, 14:03 • #15 
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I must say you make your case very well.
I'd be sold but I killed a butt piece on a carbon 4wt on which I wanted to slim down the grip. the blank heated where it rested on my drill "lathe" and broke. I was gutted, even if I managed to save the rod.
maybe if the blank rested on wheels or something ... I have to think about that.

@ mdwwhw, thanks, that's just what I wanted to see.


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Post 20 Nov 2013, 11:01 • #16 
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Very interesting.


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Post 20 Nov 2013, 11:18 • #17 
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As someone who has made rods for decades, but never on anything like a production basis, I offer this little pearl of wisdom: You don't need a lathe or drill rig to sand/shape the occasional grip. I've used both, and ended up long ago deciding that I prefer to shape grips by hand when it's only one at the time. I sit over a trash can of some sort and start with a four way rasp to knock off the glue ridges and break the smooth skin of the rings. Then I use a ten inch mill file to shape the grip, filing lengthwise at an angle, first using the double-cut side, then the single-cut side. Then I switch to 150 grit paper, refining down to 600 grit in stages. It takes me about an hour to go from rough rings glued on a rod butt to finished grip, and I'm in no hurry. I make much less cork dust mess, have never had an accident that damaged rod, reel seat, or cork, make no noise, and require next to no space to store my tools. My method has been endorsed by such iconic names as Vincent Marinaro, who also used his wife's ironing board as a work bench to plane some outstanding bamboo rods with unique and exquisite tapers. Rod making doesn't require equipment, just a few very basic tools and practice. Until you start making several at a time, that is.


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Post 20 Nov 2013, 12:46 • #18 
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Well stated, Cross Creek. I do a lot by hand. Maybe not cork turning, but I cut my mortised grips with a sharp knife and grit paper. There are so much talk about machines these days, but don't forget using your hands and simple tools!

Christian


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Post 20 Nov 2013, 16:45 • #19 
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My hat is off to you if you can hand file a good grip! I like using hand tools for a lot of things, but I am just not a good carver.

After destroying a couple of grips I was trying to hand file, I went to the Flex Coat cork drill stand and my efforts vastly improved. I have turned some grips on the rod, but the anxiety of all that spinning, easily scratched plastic was more than I could take.

I still do them on the rod sometimes, but now I most often use the Flex Coat cork drill stand and chuck a long speed bore 1/4" drill bit to the drill as a mandrel. To support the end of the bit, I made a wooden "T" stand and drilled a hole with the bit to support the end. It does a great job, after all, you are not sanding oak or maple.

To bore the grip, I chuck one of those cork reamers designed with a chuck ferrule, and go nice and easy. The bores usually come out pretty straight. Sometimes, after gluing up to the rod, I have to mount the assembly on the cork lathe and do a quick sanding to get the grip concentric. Most of the time it is not necessary.

It is not hard to make your own drill stand, if the price of a Flex Coat set-up is a little much for you. Just keep shop safety in mind.


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Post 20 Nov 2013, 16:54 • #20 
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you sirs are very right, but forget that we're not equal as dexterity is concerned.
a lathe or a drill will give you a decent result even if your a little craftmanship challenged.
like I am, for instance ^_^

edit: I'm with you, John


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Post 20 Nov 2013, 17:29 • #21 
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Well obviously there are many ways to accomplish this, but I think some grips depending upon the type of grip being turned are best created on a lathe. For me it just seems natural to do it that way.


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Post 22 Nov 2013, 06:58 • #22 
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Hello
When I was a young fellow an old timer told me to always remember to use "the right tool for the right job. "it was seemingly simple advice that has proved to be some of the best advice I ever received.
However the right tool for me might not be the right tool for the next guy.
The question was I believe.
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what's the most cost effective lathe I can buy for sanding cork grips? don't need anything heavy duty just something I could use for the occasional sand job.

The cave men used simple tools of bone and stone, fortunately mankind has evolved so we now have amazing new tools to create the things we need to survive, the folks here have given you some fantastic options to consider.
I especially like toms home made table top lathe, my good friend reggie was an amazing rod maker, he used an electric drill that he operated with his feet sitting in a chair to turn his cork grips on the blanks, yep reggie was kinda a cave man.
I'm not going to get into the different tools available for the purpose of grip turning, the options
Available to you have been already covered.
I will offer this advice, the most cost effective isn't necessarily the least expensive, make or purchase the best outfit you can afford, in the long run you will be glad you had, because first you may get a better job also you can save time and money over time.
Tight lines and the right tool for the right job loops
Andy M


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Post 22 Nov 2013, 07:33 • #23 
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Evolved? It's all relative!
Google "Moroccan Bow Lathe" sometime.
(from a Preindustrial Technology course I once taught)
Electricity not included. :)


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Post 22 Nov 2013, 08:28 • #24 
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Hello
I saw a lathe that was used in olden days that used a bent sapling as the spring lever that powered the machine it was operated by a foot treadle.
The other night I was watching american pickers they came across a bicycle powered grinding machine.
Great googly moogly and the mothers of invention loops ;)
Dare I ask what came first? :eek
Andy M


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Post 22 Nov 2013, 10:44 • #25 
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A drill mounted by some method to a worktop with a support for the other end will work fine, a drill press better. After I used a lathe at an adult school shop I had to have one. We are rod builders, we like to tinker, change, build, play, experiment etc. Do what works for now but keep your eyes on Craigslist for a Midi or full size lathe. It will open up new worlds for you, can never spend too much time in the shop, right? Pens, bowls, plates, spindles, table and chair legs, reelseats, hair stackers ... the list goes on. Sorry guys, I'm an enabler! I also enjoy working with hand tools but I believe some power tools make the jobs easier and better for normal people like me. I found a 42 inch Craftsman lathe for the cost of a new mini lathe and now I'm looking for a nice Jet. Have fun!

Mike


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