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Post 08 Oct 2017, 09:33 • #1 
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Does any one know when the Berkley 510 (gold spool version) and identical Walker 77 (silver spool version) were made, and by who? I know they were made in Japan, probably in the '60's or '70's but I'd like to narrow it down a little more then that. L.M. Dickson also sold the same reel as the #280 (pinkish tan?? spool version). The Shakespeare Norris (red spool version) is the same reel as well. Did anyone else sell them?

My first fly reel was a used Berkley 510 I received as a gift from my uncle when I was 11 (1981), and it was clearly an old reel then. All these years later I own 8 of these reels, and love them on my vintage glass and bamboo rods, I just wish I knew more about them.


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Post 08 Oct 2017, 14:10 • #2 
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I bought a 510 new in 1974, but it had a silver spool.


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Post 08 Oct 2017, 17:57 • #3 
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Interesting. When I was given mine, I was told there was a silver version, but I had only seen the Walker 77 with a silver spool. Does yours have a screw holding in the spool, or a latch under a brown plastic cover?


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Post 08 Oct 2017, 20:32 • #4 
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no latch, screw and friction drag thumb ring


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Post 08 Oct 2017, 20:57 • #5 
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I think these started off as an Ocean City design and copied (or rebranded by OC) by a variety of makers, US and Japan. The ones I’ve had/have are as bulldog describes, marketed by Sportking (Montgomery Ward) Ocean City, Berkley and “Japan”.

Heavy reels for their size, but they do balance longer ‘Glass and vintage ‘boo rather well. I still have one just for that reason.


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Post 09 Oct 2017, 00:06 • #6 
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Do you have any photos you could post?


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Post 09 Oct 2017, 07:38 • #7 
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I did try to post photo's, but I keep getting a message to update my account for 3rd party hosting. Not sure if that means in photobucket, or here.


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Post 09 Oct 2017, 10:15 • #8 
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you probably want to change photoservers - try Imgur - I'm sure others have recommendations.


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Post 09 Oct 2017, 14:33 • #9 
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Ha! figured it out, thanks! Anyway the Berkley 510 is the gold spool, The Walker 77 is the silver spool. And yes they are a bit heavier then most other fly reels, which is why I like them for my bamboo and older glass rods.


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Post 09 Oct 2017, 19:18 • #10 
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They look like they have the same spool retention cap as some of the medalist clone's from Japan. I am assuming these are pawl drag reels?


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Post 10 Oct 2017, 05:04 • #11 
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different reel -
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Post 10 Oct 2017, 09:09 • #12 
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There's a Shakespeare at auction now with the same look and square line gard but has a screw takedown. Sgoodroe was trying to figure out what company made his reels. Maybe more than one.


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Post 10 Oct 2017, 11:36 • #13 
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These are click and pawl drag reels, but they are definitely not the same as the Japanese made Medalist clones. I have one of those, totally different. I own 8 of these reels, sold by 3 different companies. I'm just looking for more info on when and by who they were actually made.


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Post 10 Oct 2017, 13:35 • #14 
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I knew they weren't the same just looking at possibly common parts. Olympic and Tiaco seem to be well known and prolific reel makers of the time I think Bulldog mentioned in a older post I read recently that Berkley had a working relationship with Olympic.


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Post 10 Oct 2017, 14:13 • #15 
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I'm not surprised about the connecting between Berkley and Olympic. I recently bought an NOS Olympic 4135 that is identical to a Berkley 536 I have.


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Post 10 Oct 2017, 15:51 • #16 
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have the same reel as Bulldog's in a few brand names.heddon truetemper berkley and one made in japan.people keep giving me these reels.the only one i bought was the heddon as it still had the box and paper work and decent line on it.i think the trutemper is made in USA so maybe ocean city?


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Post 10 Oct 2017, 15:56 • #17 
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sgoodroe wrote:
I'm not surprised about the connecting between Berkley and Olympic. I recently bought an NOS Olympic 4135 that is identical to a Berkley 536 I have.

amazes me how many different copies of hardy reels there are .so far i have 2 heddons 2 eagle claw cabela's cahill 2 daiwas and a zebco.all using hardy click pawl design.none of them are bad either


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Post 10 Oct 2017, 18:15 • #18 
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the hersh wrote:
sgoodroe wrote:
I'm not surprised about the connecting between Berkley and Olympic. I recently bought an NOS Olympic 4135 that is identical to a Berkley 536 I have.

amazes me how many different copies of hardy reels there are .so far i have 2 heddons 2 eagle claw cabela's cahill 2 daiwas and a zebco.all using hardy click pawl design.none of them are bad either

Yah, I'm always on the look out for those also. So far I've collected 1 Berkley 536, 1 Olympic, 1 eagle claw, 2 Heddons, and a Zebco Z89. I love those things, their smooth, reliable and look great on a classic glass rod!


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Post 11 Oct 2017, 09:44 • #19 
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rather than click-pawl, I call those symmetric clickers a caliper-clicker.
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I reserve click-pawl for the clockwork mechanism using asymmetric springs and pawls.
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Post 13 Oct 2017, 19:45 • #20 
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Good to know! In my neck of the woods we call caliper clicker reels "English style click and pawl", but that may be just a Vermont thing. Personally I just call them annoying, but still possibly the best option for a vintage rod.

I don't recognize the drag set up in the lower pic, what's the reel? I own almost a hundred reels, I've never seen that exact set up before.


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Post 14 Oct 2017, 05:02 • #21 
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That is the stepped cam adjustable, coil-spring driven click of the a Martin MG-3, the poor-man's Hardy as I think of them. Personally, I think the design is superior to flat-spring drags--and much more easily maintained because the coil spring is easily removed and replaced if ever necessary. This design endured on a variety of Martin feels over decades, and later, the addition of a second arm enabled a symmetrical drag for identical click resistance range in LHW. The design as shown is at its best in RHW, the prevailing winding position for fly-fishing well into the late 1980s.


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Post 14 Oct 2017, 06:25 • #22 
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there is no wider-ranging click-pawl than a Beaudex after I'm done reshaping the springs
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Post 16 Oct 2017, 17:01 • #23 
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So, I think we've gotten a little off track, not too much, just a little. So when we guess the 2 reels in question were made. Maybe it would be easier to narrow it down if we ask the question, when was Walker in business.
Update......
I just snagged one of these reels off ebay, same color scheme as the Walker 77.....BUT with a Hardy style adjustable drag.....very interesting!


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Post 25 Oct 2017, 11:08 • #24 
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Not sure if this helps, but many of the Hardy clones were made by the same company.

http://classicflyrodforum.com/forum/vie ... 72&t=57084


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Post 25 Oct 2017, 11:12 • #25 
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You need to pick up a Berkley or two.


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