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Post 30 Jun 2017, 14:36 • #1 
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Hello,
I'm trying to find heavy weight vintage reels. I'm trying to balance out a vintage Shakespeare 11wt. Its a beast..lol

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Rob


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 14:58 • #2 
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You could use a 1498 Pflueger Medalist.You can put lead shot inside the spool if it isn't heavy enough.You could also load some leadcore line underneath the backing.I would prefer the leadcore line option.If you went the Medalist route you can go crazy and install some One Pfoot after market parts. :)


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 15:07 • #3 
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I have a 3 5/8th's Hardy Gem that won't break the bank... but might actually be a little light.
It looks like this only with a full foot.

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Post 30 Jun 2017, 15:13 • #4 
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Grassnglass has 2 Cortland CLX 4 cassette fly reels on the fiberglass fly rods for sale page.I had one of these and they are definitely a large reel.


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 16:44 • #5 
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I have a Shakespeare 1898 that weighs 13 1/2 ozs with no line or backing. This is an anti-reverse reel that is right hand wind.

I like how it balances heavy rods and would love to use it, but after many years I realized I just don't like right hand wind.

Barry


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 16:46 • #6 
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the obvious choice is Martin - their big "wedding cake" disc drag reels including the M72 multiplier.
Some of these have big line capacity - SD series.

A Billy Pate in a large line size will also have the weight you need.

4" JW Young - any salmon sized reel, but I'm thinking if you want an 11-wt, it's either for baby tarpon or king salmon.

There's a 4" Milward Flymaster listed on former Clark's board classifieds currently


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 18:12 • #7 
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This Battenkill multiplier certainly has some weight to it

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Post 30 Jun 2017, 21:38 • #8 
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How vintage? A Fin-Nor No. 3 or 4 would be nice.

I think the others have covered the good blue collar varieties.

* Martin Disk Drag (MG10, M72)
* South Bend Finalist (the big, heavy one)
* Medalist 1498 with a layer of lead core trolling line underneath the backing.

Did Ocean City make a bigger version of the 77?
If you are going to use a modern 11 weight line, you may have a bigger issue with line capacity than weight. Vintage lines were thinner than a lot of the newer lines and it seems to really set in on larger reels.


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 22:28 • #9 
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Like was said, a Medalist 1498 or 1496 ( same basic size) would work well. I don't think a Martin 72 (one of my favorite reels) would be heavy enough unless you put some lead core line on it. Same with the Medalist 1495, would need some lead.

Some thing about big reels like 1498, so much weight hangs so far away from grip they make everything swing kinda odd (how is that for an explanation). Keeping the reel closer to seat, like w a 1495 or a Martin 72, might work better. Buy em all and try em out is my rule of thumb.


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 23:10 • #10 
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According to the person selling the Cortland CLX IV,they weigh 8.95 ounces with the line and backing.I believe it.They are bigger in diameter than a 1498 and wider.


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 23:30 • #11 
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Another possibility is a very large disc drag reel made by Leeda and/or BFR.This thing didnt have any porting in the spool or the frame so was very solid.Some people used them on large spey rods.If you can find one it would probably work.


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Post 30 Jun 2017, 23:33 • #12 
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Im not sure but I think the original S/A System 2 came in a 10/11 weight and it would also be a monster.


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Post 01 Jul 2017, 00:09 • #13 
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The BFR reel I was referring to is the BFR Magnum 200D.It is 4 inches in diameter and 1 3/8 inches wide.There is quite a few for sale on Ebay.


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Post 01 Jul 2017, 00:51 • #14 
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Stonefly,

I screwed up my listing for the CLX 4. With Line and backing it actually weighs 11.9 ozs and is 4.0" Diameter.

In my haste to copy and paste I put the wt and diameter of reels I previously had listed simultaneously with these reels. My apologies.

Also, which Shakespeare is he talking about. If a Wonderod, I sold one last year in VG+ condition and in the tube for $45. Had several heavy ones with no tube I couldn't get $35 out of at several large fishing shows. They are a little heavy, but will throw a whole line with no problem and I really like them.. Personally I couldn't understand putting more than a hundred buck reel on this rod. But, to each his own.

Sorry about the screw up on weight and width.

Barry

P.S....If I was going to spend a bunch for heavy reel for this rod I'd go with a big Hardy Perfect, unless fishing saltwater. But I did notice the poster shows living in Minnesota and not much salt there.


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Post 01 Jul 2017, 01:17 • #15 
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Checking other reels since 2:00AM here and not much to do.

Pflueger Medalist 1598RC with line and backing 12.05 ozs. Same as 1498, but with rim control.

System Two 10/11 with line and backing is just shy of 11 ozs.

Young Pridex 4.0" with line and backing 10.7 ozs.

Orvis DXR 9/10 Multiplier with line and backing 13 1/2 ozs.

Barry


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Post 01 Jul 2017, 09:19 • #16 
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This is a question that I've thought about quite often and I've never resolved it in my own mind. In balancing a heavy outfit, I'd probably chose to error on the side of comfort.
I'll throw out another, the Valentine 375 or the 400. I've been using them for almost 40 years on my glass 9wt and 10wt rods( Winston and Fisher rods) for Salmon/Steelhead fishing and my Striper/surf fishing on the West Coast. A reel with a very good drag system, a very good anodized finish that is fairly light. I am not exactly certain of it's weight but it is lighter than my Young 4" wide Beaux's. Not exactly a "heavy weight" but why exhaust yourself fighting all the weight, the rod alone will do it if your fishing any length of time.
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Post 01 Jul 2017, 17:30 • #17 
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Don't know if OP is still around. Last time he signed in was when he made this post. Now shows his account is inactive, whatever that means.

Maybe we're just posting for each other. Which is fine also.


rvreclus I agree about the Valentine reels. Had the 350 which now lives in Tasmania I think (maybe NZ orAustralia) and 400 which a friend is now using on a Spey rod up in Tennessee. I thought the 375 would have met my needs better than the other two, but never managed to pick one up. Also the folks at Valentine's are some of the nicest folks I've dealt with. Had them do an adjustment on one and send some parts to change wind direction and they were excellent.

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Post 01 Jul 2017, 22:43 • #18 
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I just finished a Pflueger 1498 Medalist DA to go on a 9 1/2' bamboo rod. The reel weighed dead-on 8 ozs. empty. With 50 yards of Mason 27 lb. lead core trolling line, 100 yards of 30 lb. dacron backing and a WF7F line it weighs 14 ozs.


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Post 03 Jul 2017, 08:53 • #19 
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SouthBend Finalist 1155. Things a tank and feels like a boulder


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Post 03 Jul 2017, 10:06 • #20 
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Rob, the original poster got in touch with me through the Classic Fly Rod Forum. Says he can still read messages here, but for some reason he has been locked out of this forum and can't sign in.

Barry


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Post 03 Jul 2017, 10:36 • #21 
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A post above from Rvreclus reminded me that various 4" JW Young Reels (salmon reels, I think they were generically called) would also be candidates.

Like him, though, I don't think you can go for fulcrum "balance" with rods of that type. You are going to pay in fatigue one way or the other. I would pick a large capacity reel that held the line and backing amount I wanted and call it good. The Beadeux or JW Young 1540 would be good candidates.


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Post 03 Jul 2017, 10:52 • #22 
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Only thing I would like to caution on the Young Salmon size reels is watch out for the foot size.

I picked one up and carried it around with me for years, but never able to find a rod to use it on because foot was so large.

Finally, met Bill Franke at a fishing show up in the Catskills and he replaced the foot for me. I'm guessing new owner of pfoote can do the same, but factor that into the cost of the reel.

Barry


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Post 03 Jul 2017, 14:17 • #23 
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Got my account reactivated :)

GRASSNGLASS, I looked up the Shakespeare 1898. Looks like a real beast. My rod is a Wonderod, made in 1972. I like the bigger rods, 9wt and up. Living in the land of big Pike and Muskie they are handy.

rvreclus, I get what your saying about the weight. I've found a balanced outfit is easier to use for long periods. In lighter outfits its not that much of an issue. I have two shotguns almost alike. One is pretty unbalanced, muzzle heavy. The other is perfectly balanced, its easier to use all day and its even heavier.

whrlpool, I'm a big fan of Young reels. I have three smaller ones.


Thanks to everybody for all the replies. Definitely given me some ways to go.

Rob


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Post 03 Jul 2017, 15:38 • #24 
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Good, searcher. If you know Young reels, you may also like them in the Shakespeare branded versions. There is probably one in "salmon" size. Grassnglass makes a point to consider about some of the older ones; pretty sure that the 1540 has a foot that fits most seats. Probably a Young click would scream so loud it would drown out the hissing sound of the line when a big pike blisters across the pond.

Whatever you pick, stop back with the outcome and some fishing reports.


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Post 03 Jul 2017, 17:24 • #25 
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Searcher...
I understand the trying to balance and wear and tear from fishing. I guess it really depends on the type of fishing one is doing and the relative exertion from the casting required.
Funny you should bring up shot guns and weight, because I have some that are relatively light but enjoy my Ruger's much more. Their heavier than most shooters like but they swing so smoothly for me that they are a pleasure to shoot all day. But, this is for another topic.
Respectfully rvreclus


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