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Post 06 Mar 2011, 18:17 • #76 
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Here's a Farlows B.W.P. (Major B.W. Powlett - designer) with New Zealand & G.B. patents. Made by Young for Farlows in the '30's from what I've been told. It has a strong "brake"!

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And a 3" 14A ImageImageImageYoung made for J.B. Walker of Newcastle on Tyne. I really like the unique "fish in hand" logo on this one - a Farlows copycat?



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Post 07 Mar 2011, 04:08 • #77 
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That BWP is a handsome reel!


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Post 07 Mar 2011, 06:35 • #78 
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WW wrote:
That BWP is a handsome reel!
I like it too! I saw one of these on the cover of a book ("Fly Reels of the Past" by John Orrelle) and had to have one so began a long search. It's 3-1/2" in size and works well w/some 6 wt. rods I use.
I've got a couple of those little Allcock "Marvels" like the one you posted earlier. Those are nice reels too. One of them has the button latch and the other the lever latch release. Both have the turks
head tension adjustor. It's interesting to see the variations on all of these old Youngs.Image
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Post 08 Mar 2011, 21:02 • #79 
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i have heard that this plastic bean,the lowest in the picture is a young.i could be wrong,you tell me.hahaImage


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Post 09 Mar 2011, 02:17 • #80 
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might be, can we see inside?


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Post 09 Mar 2011, 12:15 • #81 
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now the challenge to find the camera and batteries,haha


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Post 15 Mar 2012, 19:31 • #82 
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Here's one for the New Englanders that's not yet mentioned in this thread ...

I believe this to be a J W Young 1500 Series with LL Bean badging. It was my Dad's, and is likely from the early 90's? From their website, I see J W Young made a 1525 and a 1530, presumably a narrow and wide version, respectively. My question is then ... Which is this?

This one is Bean's "Guide Series 200". It will be used quite a bit on stillwaters, and I need to track down a spare reel for a WF7 Intermediate line. It would obviously aid my search greatly if I could look beyond the LL Bean versions. I've seen the "100" on eBay , but I could not deduce the reel's width from the listing. The measurements for my 200 are 3 1/2" dia & 15/16" or 1" width.

Who can confirm this as a JW 1500; tell me the spool width measurements for the 1525 & 1530; and tell me the line capacities as recommended by the manufacturer? Please and thank you.

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Post 16 Mar 2012, 04:32 • #83 
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That is the wide-spool corresponding to the Young 1530. The other (1525) is about 5/8." A great heavy duty adjustable click reel in either form. An extra spool might be hard to come by, and you would want to verify the fit. These reels were also branded for Sage, Daiwa and others. There were variations in the latch mechanism and spindle diameter. So, for instance, a Bean's spool didn't fit my 1525 when I checked that back in the late '80s or early 90s when they carried that reel.


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Post 16 Mar 2012, 11:22 • #84 
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Thanks for the info. whrlpool and especially for the heads up about the differing latch mech. and spindle sizes across the various brands. I'll try to track down a Beaner version or make sure any auction I bid on allows returns ... Thanks!


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Post 16 Mar 2012, 18:07 • #85 
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Nice to see this thread pick up again. I don't believe this one is listed above but here is a nice 3 3/8" reel made for J. Peek

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Post 18 Mar 2012, 13:37 • #86 
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nice reel. i have never seen one of those. the check and drag look nothing like the young condex, pridex or beaudex ... does this reel pre-date or post-date the young ''ex" series?


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Post 19 Mar 2012, 08:06 • #87 
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That is an early pattern one and predates 1925
Young introduced many new patterns in 1925
here's the reel that started me collecting, Young pattern 8 marked for MC Thornburn Edinburg "Maker"
(of course back then, only people with Young wholesale catalogs knew what a pattern 8 was, and a reel like this was generically called a "Dingley").
(and I apologize if it's already on this thread - I didn't take the time to check)

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Certainly one of the best examples of a lead finish I own (including some of the remnant lampblack)
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and elegant checkwork
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The pattern 8 is the reel that became the postwar exes
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Post 19 Mar 2012, 22:26 • #88 
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IMO that is a much sleeker, elegant reel, with a much nicer check than on the "newer" Youngs. And I would guess it has a much wider ranging, and more precise drag setting than a Beaudex. In fact, IMO the Beaudex (which, don't get me wrong, is a very nice reel), in overall design, appearance, and with its faux drag, seems crude by comparison.


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Post 20 Mar 2012, 13:56 • #89 
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this I don't follow. The prewar Young was made so the spring and pawl couldn't be replaced, except by sending it back to the factory.
I can take a Beaudex, tweak the springs, and give it a much, much wider range in drag tension than a Hardy Marquis.
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As nice as the pattern 8 may be, it compares closer to the Condex in quality (in fact it was the prewar Allcocks Gilmour) than it does to the Beaudex. The Beaudex took most of the best of the Pattern 15a and re-engineered it into an easier to manufacture postwar package.
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Post 20 Mar 2012, 21:10 • #90 
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Ahhh! I did not realize the spring could not be swapped out or tuned. And I thought the thumbscrew adjustment might be a more precise drag adjustment than that of a Beaudex. But you're right, Bulldog, Beaudex springs can be removed and tweaked to your liking. Geez those older ones are sure nice looking though. Are they rare?


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Post 21 Mar 2012, 07:53 • #91 
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pattern 8 and pattern 1c ("standard grade") were the most-produced prewar Youngs, and can be found for $75-$175 depending on condition, of course. Pattern 14a and 15a are highly sought after because of their red agates, and are usually in the $250-450 range. If asked to appraise my L&C Varden (pattern 15a imported and marked for a US merchant), in its extremely low-use condition, I would say much higher yet, but wouldn't sell it even for that.
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of course all of these reels are worth more than the numbers above (pattern 1c on each end) because of their rare condition.

and a pattern 1, even in this rough finish condition, can be a fine reel if it was cleaned and lubed through its life.
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here's a trick little reel, a 2-1/2" pattern 1 with alloy foot, marked for JB Walker Newcastle on Tyne
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Post 21 Mar 2012, 08:08 • #92 
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a cool, collectible and fishable reel postwar reel I haven't seen yet on this thread, Allcocks Argus.
Though not this example, many of these had a "panic button" drag on the back plate - a rubber button that pressed into the spool back.
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Post 23 Mar 2012, 16:36 • #93 
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Although I'm not sure when I'll find a use for it but here is an extra fine 2 1/2 " reel made for A. Carter, the first reel I've had in this size. To get a good sense of the scale, the first photo has it next to a 3 1/2 MW Young reel made for Arthur Allan of Glasgow.

Like Bulldog's Thornburn reel above, it also has loads of the lampblack finish remaining.

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Post 23 Mar 2012, 16:44 • #94 
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nice
3" pattern 10b marked for Manwaring & Co. Paris
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It also has a short, 2-3/8" foot so it will fit anything.


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Post 23 Mar 2012, 16:52 • #95 
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That's a beauty indeed.

When I have a moment this weekend, I'm going to compile a list of the various merchants Young produced for - I imagine it'll only be the tip of the iceberg.
A Wiki of sorts for this topic.


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Post 23 Mar 2012, 16:57 • #96 
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bulldog1935 wrote:
a cool, collectible and fishable reel postwar reel I haven't seen yet on this thread, Allcocks Argus.
Though not this example, many of these had a "panic button" drag on the back plate - a rubber button that pressed into the spool back.
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What the spool drilled out to replace the handle?


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Post 23 Mar 2012, 17:10 • #97 
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yes, or more like manufactured that way - it has something like torx on each end

I'll be honest with you, though, it's not as nice a reel as a pre-59 Beaudex or Pridex.


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Post 23 Mar 2012, 20:28 • #98 
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Any idea if this 3-3/4" Flycraft MKII is a Young reel?

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Post 23 Mar 2012, 20:45 • #99 
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This has been another amazing thread. Thanks to everyone who contributed.


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Post 24 Mar 2012, 08:56 • #100 
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Wayne, I think that is probably an Aberdeen Reel - Sharpes was financially associated with both Farlows and Milward by 1958 and was supplying most if not all of their tackle. I believe the Milbros reels that made it onto this thread are also Aberdeen reels. This is an old thread, and we're always learning ...

Somebody needs to throw up a Herter's Rolls (if they haven't already - found it, Andy posted one).
And there's always Herbert Hatton of Hereford.
My US (prewar) list includes Wm. Mills & Son, Richardson of Chicago, Lyon & Coulson, Abbey & Imbrie, Edward vom Hofe, Weber - and I'm sure that's abridged.
The Canadian list is bound to be longer
Here's my pattern 2a marked for R&W Kerr Montreal
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The Great Britain list is bound to be astoundingly long.


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