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Post 28 Feb 2007, 07:45 • #151 
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picketpin, you may find that even if you're registered on the board, sometimes you may find that you aren't logged in, particularly if you are a "non-global" user, with more than one registered ezboard ID.

You need to log on in order to receive and send messages in the inbox. It helps to have your computer save your password, of course.


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Post 01 Mar 2007, 03:19 • #152 
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need some photos on this page, so here's my Landex.

It has an anti-reverse in the handle ratchet

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here's the ratchet
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and the checkwork
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Post 02 Mar 2007, 14:40 • #153 
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The Young reels get my vote for the most well constructed/engineered reels that won't require empty pockets to acquire. Those Brits have a certain ability to make a product that is somewhat understated but totally functional to the Nth degree. I had a Triumph motorcycle for years. It was quirky,but of the 20 odd bikes I owned,it was the best.
That Landex is a beauty - great steelhead reel,I'd bet.

Mark


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Post 02 Mar 2007, 16:07 • #154 
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Can anyone comment on the Meisselbach Rainbow? Is it a desirable click/pawl reel?


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Post 02 Mar 2007, 18:53 • #155 
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yes, a discussion of the meisellbacks is in order. there are the rainbows and the catuci symploreels made out of bakelite. does anyone have any of these and how are they constructed?


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Post 02 Mar 2007, 19:27 • #156 
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The rainbows are very nice reels. If there's a problem with them, it's spindle wear, so I would hunt one only with very limited finish wear, assuming it hasn't had a rough history.
the 1916-17 telephone latch Rainbows probably hold up better than the thumbscrew reels, but are very hard to get away from collectors.

Meisselbach-Catucci is a completely different company than Meisselbach Bros. When AF Meisselbach was in the company, they didn't even make reels and AF Meisselbach (and brothers) was completely out of both businesses before Pliny Catucci started making reels.

www.oldreels.com/meis-cat_reels.htm
www.oldreels.com/rainbows.htm

sorry I don't have a photo of a Rainbow, but here's the internals of a Symploreel
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the two springs can be tensioned independently, by loosening screws on the backplate and sliding the springs, so you can adjust wind vs. pay for winding either direction.
You can rotate between to choose 3 different pawls, so that's a lot of lifetime clicks.
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very light reels with a huge line capacity for the wide spools.
sorry I don't own this reel anymore.

The Rainbow has the strapped "claw" pawl of an early Uniqua and it works very well. RHW only.


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Post 03 Mar 2007, 04:40 • #157 
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very cool - it has a tuna can frame. The ORCA site is down right now, and I know folks there would be very interested in this reel. When it's back up, can you post these photos there, or can I have your permission to? No question that's a prewar Stuart reel, and I suspect the reel we're all used to seeing is much later - at least early postwar.


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Post 07 Mar 2007, 15:29 • #158 
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Here's a weird old South Bend model 1120, has it's pawl spring and pawl on the spool, while the gearing is found on the reel frame - sort of resembles a geen Condex, to boot ... cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI ... &rd=1&rd=1


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Post 07 Mar 2007, 17:39 • #159 
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that is a Duncan Briggs. Those reels were only made for 2 years anyway, so this reel is collectable, especially with a good finish.
It has a nice click-pawl that can be reversed.

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Post 07 Mar 2007, 20:32 • #160 
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I've seen them on eBay , but never for a high price. I've had one for awhile, but it's a bit heavy for my tastes (6.7 ounces). It would be a great match to a 9 foot cane bass rod, say a 9 ft South Bend 24 or Heddon 2 3/4. If anyone is interested, let me know and I'll put it up for auction on the board.

Ron,
Roughly what time frame were these reels produced?

Tom
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Post 08 Mar 2007, 03:52 • #161 
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I believe 1953-55.


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Post 08 Mar 2007, 12:53 • #162 
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Here's a real rarity - a J.W. Young "St. Louis". It isn't mine - I was privy to a fine collection and had to snap some pics of this beauty for you all to enjoy - especially Bulldog! This is the first one of these I've seen. Enjoy! Alec


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Post 08 Mar 2007, 13:27 • #163 
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great reel!
The button latch dates that reel to 1928-34

I would love to identify the merchant in St. Louis
we discussed this reel on the ORCA board, and it was resolved that St. Louis pattern is just the model name, and that the merchant was Canadian.

before WWII, all marked Young reels were export reels.
this one came from Australia:

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Post 09 Mar 2007, 01:33 • #164 
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Thanks for the pics on those Youngs. The only one I ever saw looked like it had been in a bonfire. They really made some fine reels. The ones I never handled were the Jubilees, which I hear is the JAF. True? How are they?


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Post 09 Mar 2007, 03:13 • #165 
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the Jubilee has always escaped my radar - I've wanted one forever.

The click pawl is the same as the 1500 series, and isn't necessarily the greatest.

The disc drag reels are actually very nice. They also have a click-pawl on the drag gear - they can be used together, you can disengage the pawl for a silent disc, or back off on the disc and have click-pawl.

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here's most of my prewar Young collection (although it's gone up and down a bit since the group photos)

orca-online.org/reel-talk/viewtopic.php?t=3301


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Post 11 Mar 2007, 15:47 • #166 
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I love this thread. I'm shopping for my first vinatage click and prawl.

Man, those old pfleuger medalists are going for some high dollars ... I just saw a 60s 1492 go for $104!

A 1392 is going for $150 and counting

Being from Akron, OH I'd like to get a decent Akron made (pre-1966) but I'm not spending that kind of money


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Post 12 Mar 2007, 04:33 • #167 
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that 1392 should sell for $350, it's actually a stamped 1392 side plate finished out as a 1492 when Pflueger discontinued the 1392 in 1939.


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Post 12 Mar 2007, 05:35 • #168 
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I sold a 1392 about 4 years ago for $100. Still wish I had it. One of only 2 or 3 reels I wish I wish I still had.


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Post 15 Mar 2007, 20:20 • #169 
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I've been promising to put up photos of the Leeda Gearfly multiplier fly reel, finally got around to it.

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Here's a real nice Fenwick that was only made for a little while. I'm not even sure what year vintage this is, I'm fairly sure it pre-dates the World Class series. This is the smallest model, the F34, using what Fenwick calls "a unique gear drive drag"; the larger models used disc drag.
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My photos don't do the F34 justice, it's a little jewel. Mint-minus/VG++ condition, on account of the slightest amount of paint loss from edge wear. Too nice for me to want to fish with. "One piece frame and spool machined from solid 6061-T6 forged aluminum", according to the box. The reel handle appears to be made of some exotic tropical hardwood, like koa. Only 2 3/4" in diameter, weighing 4.6 oz. Spool capacity for 50 yards of combined WF4 fly line and 20# test backing.

This next one is a South Bend Model 1190. It looks to me like it was modelled on the "Hardy Perfect" type of reel, but I haven't taken it apart yet. It's the first one of this type of reel that I've ever run across, and I'm not even sure how to remove the spool or the cover plate. I presume it requires dismantling the frame screws on the other side of the reel.

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Post 16 Mar 2007, 04:10 • #170 
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here's a SB 1185 that I sold recently (it was hard to do, but I used the money for a Dennis Stone cane rod).
remove the thumbscrew, then then hold the back of the spool face, and hold the winding plate and unscrew them (CCW).
Best to not use the handle, so you don't damage it - Spread your fingertips out on the winding plate

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Post 16 Mar 2007, 04:41 • #171 
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Hello Freestoner,

The Fenwick F34 is a fairly recent reel, from the late 1990's. I used to have its bigger brother, F912, which was a carbon disc-drag reel. Only the smallest F34 was a click and pawl. Larger reels in F series came in LA configurations, as well. Excellent reels for the $$.

Regards,
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Post 16 Mar 2007, 05:43 • #172 
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Thanks, Bulldog. Turns out that this SB1190 is missing a ball bearing- it only has 13, while yours has 14. I presume there's a replacement in a standard size. But will I be able to simply drop it into the track?

It's also missing one of the pawls.

Dirty, too. At least the spool gear is in good condition.

Even given the missing parts, the reel seems to work all right, no hesitation or jumpiness.

Thanks for the info about the F34, musicar. The gear drag looks sort of unusual to me. I plan to take a close-up and post it later on today.


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Post 16 Mar 2007, 07:48 • #173 
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you can get ball bearings at bike shops


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Post 16 Mar 2007, 13:27 • #174 
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Hey,
I just got a beautiful mint Southbend 1133 with box, case and documents on eBay . It's a beautiful reel that has very interesting innards and a neat "pocket watch screw" that changes the pressure of the click-pawl drag. It's in such good condition that it could've been bought new yesterday.

My problem is, like most reels from the late 50's, it is right hand retirieve (my Bronson Royalist came this way too) but in this case I don't think it can be made to do left hand retrieve. There is nothing in the insert about it and no where on-line is there any indication that it's possible.

Anyone know about this? I can post photos if that will help.

My other options are to try and use it right hand retrieve (might be tough), or to trade it for a reel with left hand retrieve to someone who prefers right hand retrievers.

-Aaron


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Post 16 Mar 2007, 16:06 • #175 
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Please, photos if you got 'em.

Right hand retrieve really isn't that bad. It's very rare that I play a fish off the reel. And I can usually remember to switch hands if I'm just winding the line.

If you trade it, the other reel probably won't be as pretty. It's a corollary of Murphy's law.

Tom


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