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PostPosted: 13 Jul 2009, 10:39 • # 1 
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Sorry for the graphite Q, but what rod models were there? I've seen the 7'7" 3pc were there any shorter or 5pc rod models?
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PostPosted: 13 Jul 2009, 11:56 • # 2 
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I recently sold an 8'4" #5 5 pc rod

There was almost every configuration you can imagine at some time or another.

9' #5 4 pc
8'6" #5 2 pc
8'4" #5 5 pc
Here are some others as well and this list isn't complete either because I have owned others such as a 9'6" #7 4 pcs ...

[url=power-ply/g904.htm]G 904[/url] 9'0" 3.0 oz. #4 2 pc. $495/275
[url=power-ply/g905.htm]G 905[/url] 9'0" 3.1 oz. #5 2 pc. 495/275
[url=power-ply/g906.htm]G 906[/url] 9'0" 3.2 oz. #6 2 pc. 495/275
M U L T I - P I E C E R O D S
[url=power-ply/g802-3.htm]G 802/3[/url]* 8'0" 1.8 oz. #2 3 pc. $525/290
[url=power-ply/g882-3.htm]G 882/3[/url] 8'8" 2.3 oz. #2 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g653-3.htm]G 653/3[/url]* 6'6" 1.5 oz. #3 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g703-3.htm]G 703/3[/url] 6'10" 1.9 oz. #3 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g753-3.htm]G 753/3[/url] 7'7" 2.2 oz. #3 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g803-3.htm]G 803/3[/url]* 8'0" 1.9 oz. #3 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g843-5.htm]G 843/5[/url] 8'4" 2.8 oz. #3 5 pc. 550/305
[url=power-ply/g883-3.htm]G 883/3[/url] 8'8" 2.4 oz. #3 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g704-3.htm]G 704/3[/url] 6'10" 1.9 oz. #4 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g754-3.htm]G 754/3[/url] 7'7" 2.3 oz. #4 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g804-3.htm]G 804/3[/url]* 8'0" 2.0 oz. #4 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g844-5.htm]G 844/5[/url] 8'4" 3.0 oz. #4 5 pc. 550/305
[url=power-ply/g884-3.htm]G 884/3[/url] 8'8" 3.1 oz. #4 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g904-4.htm]G 904/4[/url] 9'0" 3.1 oz. #4 4 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g845-5.htm]G 845/5[/url] 8'4" 3.1 oz. #5 5 pc. 550/305
[url=power-ply/g885-3.htm]G 885/3[/url] 8'8" 3.3 oz. #5 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g905-4.htm]G 905/4[/url] 9'0" 3.3 oz. #5 4 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g886-3.htm]G 886/3[/url] 8'8" 3.4 oz. #6 3 pc. 525/290
[url=power-ply/g906-4.htm]G 906/4[/url] 9'0" 3.4 oz. #6 4 pc. 525/290
[url=arc/arc1196-4.htm]ARC 1196/4[/url]** 11'9" 5.3 oz. #6 4 pc. 660/365


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PostPosted: 13 Jul 2009, 13:29 • # 3 
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That list doesn't represent even half of the Scott G's that were available at one time or another over the years. I think it's ok to talk about the Scott G's. They're about the closest graphite gets to glass rods as a whole. I have cast almost every one I can think of.

Personally, I still own an 883/3 (available up through 6 wt at one time or another in the G series and beyond that in other series. The two best 8'8" rods in the G series, I think, were the 882/3 and the 883/3) a 7'7"4/3 (one of the best graphite rods ever created, EXTREMELY versatile rod, I'd like to know if Larry Kenney designed this one or not, whoever designed it was guided by God's hand on this one), an 8'4" 5/3 (these were available long before the 5 piece rod became a fad a few years back but never bested), a 6'10" 6/3 ( I still can't find a fiberglass 3 piece in the 7 foot range that casts like this rod. The best 3pc small stream rod I've ever cast), and a 9'0" 7/4 Bass (poppers and deer hair bugs cast like dry flies with this rod). I've owned a number of Scott G's over the years but these are the ones I have a hard time parting with. There are other particular rods that compare well and the Winstons IM6's are a fine line of rods too but I think the Scott G's are the finest graphite series of rods ever created for trout fishing.

CrustyBugger


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PostPosted: 13 Jul 2009, 13:34 • # 4 
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There's nothing wrong with good graphite!

If guys can pitch in any information they know about the G series rods, I'll put it in the Wiki under Scott Classics.

Tom


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PostPosted: 13 Jul 2009, 23:43 • # 5 
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Thanks Guys!
I didn't know they had so many to chose from, I've only seen a handful, but wow that really puts things in perspective.


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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2009, 01:23 • # 6 
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There are a lot of G devotees out there,including me. I've been tracking a few on eBay and even with prices down the value on G's is going up. Two examples, an 804/3 sold for $401 and a 905 2 piece sold for $410. Both looked to be in excellent condition and the 9' rod had a fairly low serial # but I think these prices are indicative of how popular the G's are. I once had the 7'7" 4 wt and the action very similar to my 7'6" 4 wt fibertouch. My 9' 6 wt. is one of the rods I would never consider selling even at the prices G's are bringing.


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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2009, 01:55 • # 7 
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The 9' 6wt and the 9'4wt have cult like followings. They're owners would like to have them surgically attached to their hands if they could. From what I understand, the 9'0" 7wt Bass rod is basically a 9'6wt with a 7wt tip section. It would be nice if Larry Kenney could confirm that one too.

As long as we're talking about Scott G's, I'm not quite as enamoured with the Scott G2's. They're still fine rods but they seem to have lost a bit of the feel and fishing performance characteristics I'm accustomed to with the G's at the expense of parking lot performance. Mind you, I have only cast a few so I might be off base with that initial impression of the G2's.

I had another thought about the G's and their relationship to glass rods. Many people have a rule of thumb about glass rods that suggests the performance of glass falls off at lengths over 8ft due to weight, etc. Yes, there are exceptions, but there is some very good reason for those sentiments. If you fall in that camp, think of Scott G's starting where the glass falls short (pun intended). If you like glass and want a longer rod, give the Scott G's a serious look.

CrustyBugger


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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2009, 15:54 • # 8 
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I have to admit to really liking Scott G's, as well as J. Kennedy Fisher and a few others as far as graphite rods go. I own several Scott G's that don't see as much action since I built some Steffens, a McFarland and a Lamiglas honey glass rod. But I still don't ever want to part with them ...

I have the 883/3, 884/3, 885/3, 804/3 and 845/5. Very fluid casting rods and a lot of fun to fish. Not as full flexing as the Fishers, but still have that sweet tip and casting feel. The 885/3, a Fisher Original and a T&T LPS 905/3 that I'm blessed to own are truly fine graphite 5wt's (especially since I managed to pick them up used in excellent shape for very good prices).

Anyway, enough about graphite!


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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2009, 22:50 • # 9 
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Don't know the Scott model numbers well, but I'm assuming the "G" series is the late '70s early '80s Scott graphite? These were certainly the best of the era, and no wonder they have a cult following. At that time I was either too stupid, too cheap, or both to buy one along with their fiberglass. As a side point, although it may seem blasphemous, today you can get that relatively soft graphite feel by selecting an inexpensive (no IM designation) graphite rod in the low (for graphite) modulus range. I have several 9' el cheapo graphites that aren't Scotts, but they have that fluid effortless feel that Scott set the benchmark on as graphite evolved.

http://fiberglassflyrodders.com/forum/sreply/27974/t/9-foot-4-weight-glass-.html


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PostPosted: 14 Jul 2009, 23:53 • # 10 
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I believe they were in production for about 30 years.


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PostPosted: 15 Jul 2009, 02:53 • # 11 
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I owned quite a few of the G Scotts, and at one time or another all the 5 piece rods. The 844/5 was and is my all time favorite graphite rod, actually one of my all time favorite rods, period. Can fish on small streams and large rivers, packs anywhere, and has an action that is very sweet and smoothe. I doubt anyone will ever make a pack rod as sweet and versitile as that one.


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PostPosted: 15 Jul 2009, 05:51 • # 12 
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Mr. cwood has it right on the nose! My 8'4" 5 piece for 5 wt. Scott G rod is about as fine a flyrod as can be found. Not real pretty, but that is part of the charm of Scott G rods. This rod would be one of the candidates for the keeper if somehow I could own only one fishing rod.


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PostPosted: 16 Jul 2009, 04:43 • # 13 
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While I certainly had a hand in the work, the real credit needs for G-series rod design has to go to Harry Wilson who, until his stroke in 1987, was the company's driving force. Other people were involved, of course, including guys who worked with us, people who showed up at the Golden Gate Park casting ponds in San Francisco when we were test-casting rods, shop owners who had particular requests, like Harry Murray of Edinburg VA who pushed for long graphite bass rods (we already had a line of glass bass rods). The G907B, which was the first of the graphite bass rods, introduced in 1981, was indeed based on the butt section of a G906 with a heavier #7 line tip. The stronger, straight taper tip, mounted with relatively heavy Fuji single foot guides, slowed down the rod to deliver slow moving hair bugs with authority and accuracy. Later models changed back to snake guides and I'm guessing it was as much for cosmetic reasons as anything else since those Fujis were so ugly. On the multi-piece front, Harry had a pretty good reputation for multi-piece fiberglass rods by the time we incorporated in 1974, our long 2-pc. 9 foot #4 and #6 line graphtes were taking off, so it was natural for us to work on multi-piece designs in graphite. My recollection is that our first multi-piece graphites, which included the 6'10" G706/3 and the 9 ft. G906/4, were introduced in 1980, but I don't have a brochure from that year to be certain I'm right. By 1981, we'd expanded the multipiece graphite line to include models G704/3, G705/3, G754/3, G755/3 (both at 7'7"), G905/4 and G907/4. We were having trouble keeping up with orders but were having a lot of fun working out new models and, because we'd been successful with our 5-piece fiberglass rods (the first in that configuration I believe), figured we could do something in 5-pc in graphite. The result was the G845/5, introduced in 1983. 5-pc. models in that 8'4" length for #6, and later #4 lines followed. I'm still not able to decide whether I prefer the G905/4 or the G845/5 as an all around Western trout rod.

I have, by the way, finished design and prototype work on fly rods of my own. All 3-pc fiberglass in lengths and line weights that I think hit some sweet spots for glass: 7'3" #3, 7'9" #4 and 8'3" #5. To keep the project enjoyable and leave me time for fishing and writing this is going to be a real small-time project ... maybe 20 rods a year. If you're interested, email me at ***email address removed*** and I'll send you details.
Larry Kenney


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PostPosted: 16 Jul 2009, 05:32 • # 14 
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I'm sure glad the Scott expert jumped in here to add some credibility and accuracy to the statements made here. Thanks Mr. Kenney. I always enjoy your posts when you chime in. If you could ever take the time to write a Scott history for the Wiki or write an essay like Tom Morgan did for Winston glass rods, it would be so very much appreciated. The Scott Rod Company deserves a detailed history from someone like you who was there.

Thanks again.

CrustyBugger


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PostPosted: 01 Aug 2009, 02:45 • # 15 
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My favorite when a 9' rod is needed is the San Francisco 2pc 6wt that has a rare sliding band over cork down lock reel seat. Nice kick in the action that casts itself.

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PostPosted: 04 Dec 2012, 08:17 • # 16 
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Hi,

I just bough this morning from a local policeman a G 955/3; serial number is 13611. It has a tube with the San Francisco mention so I assume it is pre-94, but is there a way to roughly date it?

Best regards,
Arnaud


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PostPosted: 04 Dec 2012, 09:02 • # 17 
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nonofiberglass wrote:
Hi,

I just bough this morning from a local policeman a G 955/3; serial number is 13611. It has a tube with the San Francisco mention so I assume it is pre-94, but is there a way to roughly date it?

Best regards,
Arnaud

I had a 9553 with serial number 14xxx that Larry Kenney said was from the late 80's. I sold it earlier this year, but it was a very cool rod!


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PostPosted: 04 Dec 2012, 09:33 • # 18 
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Hi Pete,

Thanks for the info; I must admit that I am pretty eager to test it. Got it for under 190 USD, which I guess is a fairly good price.

Cheers,
Arnaud


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PostPosted: 21 Dec 2012, 22:50 • # 19 
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I owned a number of G-series rods before I was seduced by the green rods. In my opinion, the G904/2, which I still own, is a great rod. I have one of Harry Murray's MMT which Scott called G703/3, it is 6'10". The G883/3 was also a great rod which I wish I still had. I have gone back to Scott rods, the only Winston I have left is the IM6 8'6" 5 wt/3 piece. I have acquired a G845/5 and a G956/4 in addition to several G2's.

Several have mentioned a G706/3. Was this really very short 6 wt rod?

Gene


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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2012, 08:48 • # 20 
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I just bought an 886/3. I dont have it in hand yet, but Im hoping itll be "the one" for me ...


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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2012, 10:07 • # 21 
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I have a lot of original G Series rods in every weight from 4 to 8. G844/5, G905/2, F84 (8'4" 5 wt 2 pc), G856/2 x2, G906/2, ARC 1007/4, G1007/4, G958/2. They are my favorite rods. My favorite of the bunch is the 844/5.

Corlay- I had an 886/3 and sold it. It was a nice rod but I prefered the 856/2 (I have two of them). The 856/2 was lighter and slightly less powerful than the 886/3. I recently bought a 906/2 and it looks pretty nice. If you try the 886/3 and are looking for something lighter and a little less powerful let me know. I'd be willing to let an 856/2 go for a reasonable price.


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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2012, 13:45 • # 22 
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novisor12 wrote:
Corlay- I had an 886/3 and sold it. It was a nice rod but I prefered the 856/2 (I have two of them). The 856/2 was lighter and slightly less powerful than the 886/3. I recently bought a 906/2 and it looks pretty nice. If you try the 886/3 and are looking for something lighter and a little less powerful let me know. I'd be willing to let an 856/2 go for a reasonable price.

Hey, thanks.

Im not overly concerned about being as light as possible - considering the weight of glass or bamboo in this length.

Strength may be welcomed, because the purpose of this rod quest is to find something longer than 8'6" to swing 3 wets flies through heavy current.

Well see. But not likely til late May or June ...


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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2012, 14:39 • # 23 
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Arnaud, your Scott was last listed in the 1987 catalog. That's certainly a wonderful find.

I've always liked the Scott G-series, especially the long light line rods. I think it's to Scott's credit that they have kept the cosmetics that Harry Wilson used back in the days before Scott was incorporated. They dropped the finish cork check in 1996 but began using it again on the G-series in 2004 for their 30th anniversary, a year before they changed to the G2 series.

A good friend recently gave me an un-fished G-904 25th anniversary commemorative. At the time (1999) they were not using the composition cork check but did use it on that anniversary model along with the original copper tone cap and band. The first G-904 was designed and produced in 1975 and was the first 9' 4wt graphite fly rod. In my mind that rod defined Scott back in those days and was my go-to spring creek rod for many years.
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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2012, 15:09 • # 24 
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My first "quality" fly rod was the 8'6" 5wt Scott G. I have owned, fished, and sold quite a few of them over the years. I photographed a group of Scotts this Fall. Some have happy new owners, some might have new owners, but the 844/5 just might be with me for the rest of my time on the water.

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PostPosted: 22 Dec 2012, 15:23 • # 25 
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The Scott G series, and their heavier line weight ARC and HP series siblings, are my favorite graphite rods. (The only other graphite rods I own and use are Fenwick HMG series.) All my graphite rods that I use are 6 wt. and 8 wt. (I have stopped using graphite below 6 wt., but do still have a couple 4 wt. graphite rods that are in my 'to be sold' queue.)

I have a Scott Heliply HP888/3 for saltwater and I recently got a Scott G1008/4 for steelhead. I also have a Scott Brightwater 906/2, which is the G906/2 blank with lower cost components. I would like to 'replace' the Brightwater with a G906/4, and would have liked an ARC1008/4 or ARC958/4 instead of the G1008/4 (but it was too good a price to pass up).

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