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Post 23 Aug 2023, 08:52 • #1 
Sport
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During the 70's at Conolon we had a machine that would test the fatigue
characteristics of different resin impregnated glasses.
We would use the same blank for all these test.
It was the #10324, a 6 1/2 medium action blank as I recall.
Since Conolon was the largest manufacturer of rods at the time
the different impregnating houses would love to have sold to us
and were giving us sample materials all the time.
They would impregnate 1557 woven glass with the same resin
that they were supplying to the other rod manufacturers.
Remember now these tests were done many years ago and things
might have changed a lot since then in resins used today.
The rods made out of the Phenolic resin that we were using for our
rods at the time would cycle before breaking on an average of
about 10 times longer than the ones that were made out of
polyester resin. Just about all the manufacturers of rods
at the time as I remember, and my memory is not the greatest
now a days, were using polyester resin.
You could put colored pigment in the Polyester resin and only have
to put a clear coat on the rod after it was sanded. Before I
left Conolon to set up the Kunnan fishing rod factory.
I started experimenting with Epoxy resin on the 1557
glass. The epoxy resin glass out revolved the Phenolic resin glass
by 2-3 times on the fatigue machine.
So you might ask why didn't Conolon
start using the epoxy resin glass. It comes down to the dollar bill.
The area would have to be temperature controlled, the very
large conveyor oven would have to be revamped which would
have stopped production for maybe a month or more. The handling
of the epoxy material is a little harder to handle than that of the Phenolic
material. There are more concerning reasons also which I will not go
into at this time. When I set up the Kunnan factory, I had it set up for the use
of Epoxy resin in the glass. The graphite and boron materials
already had the epoxy resin which was a little different than the
epoxy used on the glass.

When ever we got a batch of Phenolic glass in,Conolon, which could be
40 or 50 large rolls, a random of 12 of the 10324 blanks would be
cut out of different rolls and tested on the fatigue machine
before the cloth would go into production.
Only twice over the 9 years that I was there did we have to reject
the shipment. The reason for that was the glass supplier to the
resin house forgot to put a sizing material on the glass that is used for
the Phenolic resin to adhere to.






First the blank is cut to length and a threaded fastener is
glued to the tip. The butt is secured into a chuck much like a large
drill chuck. The chuck is on a motor that has a counter on it.
After the butt is fastened to the chuck, the tip is then bent back
180 degrees and fastened to a bearing. The bearing is fastened to
a switch that will cause the power to shut off the motor and counter
when the blank breaks.


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Post 23 Aug 2023, 09:03 • #2 
Sport
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Interesting stuff Conlon, I enjoy reading the history of rod development.


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Post 23 Aug 2023, 09:58 • #3 
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That is neat to know and goes to show, consumers are not getting the very best as manufacturers want to keep costs down and stay relevant. If you produced a rod that never broke, you are knocking yourself out of future sales. Asking consumers to pay a large amount in relation to competitors and have blind faith in your products is not sound business either?


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Post 23 Aug 2023, 10:26 • #4 
Sport
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Every year you have to come up with something new no matter if it really makes
a difference or not to keep sales going. A lot of the next year new rods back then would
use the same blank but only the cosmetics changed, color, guide wrapping style, components etc.
They all catch the fish the same old way but if the consumer doesn't see a change
they won't spend the bucks.


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Post 23 Aug 2023, 12:47 • #5 
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Thanks. Very interesting and fun to review this. I remember reading comparisons of the resins in fly rods in the 1970s that reported similar information in layman style. As to "the best," realize that this is always a pragmatic decision. The fatigue/stress tests described were meant to be severe to failure but don't mean that the "strongest" was necessarily the best for the application. Many fine Conolon rods that still fish well today show that. And there are other performance factors. Thus, phenolic resins--well perfected in manufacture--were a smart choice for many manufacturers (Fisher being another noteworthy one), and their consumers as well. For that matter, the same is true for the lowest-rated polyester, Scott's choice at the time as I recall. Rods of either type last a lifetime unless some other factor--poor storage, or poor design of a too-thin blank, for instance, weaken them. Manufacturing efficiency and safety, replicable mass production, and so on--these are not distinct from higher quality. An automotive tire that lasts 150,000 miles could be manufactured, but the maker would first ask who would want to drive on it. Here's a Conolon that is fit for many more tests decades after it was manufactured. I have two of them for less than $30. Don't recall what they cost in their time. But two of something that works great is often a better value than something else that works fine, last half again as long but costs three times as much.

Here are some Conolons that passed fatigue tests and are good for more.

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Post 24 Aug 2023, 09:16 • #6 
Sport
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I was trying to remember about Silaflex later in the day today and they might have also used
Phenolic resin since they were just down the street from Narmco. I actually bought my
1st boat from them.I knew the head person there and I can't even remember his name.
Browning was dipping its toe into the boat business (they owned Silaflex at the time I think)
and it didn't go to well. There were about 10 boats out in their parking lot on a close out sale
and I picked up a new one for about 1/3 the regular cost. After they closed down the rod
business many years after I bought the boat, a hunting acquaintance of mine ran their
pole vaulting business which was a great business at the time
(can't remember his name either).
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The blanks at Silaflex were not wrapped with cellophane and then put into into an oven like most
manufacturers did at the time. Try to imagine a 4" X 7ft. heavy walled pipe with a thick silicon bag
that the inner dimensions of the silicone bag matching the outer dimensions of the finished blank
hanging in the pipe. The pipe was sealed so no air can get into the pipe.
The rolled rod would be inserted into the silicon bag. Then I think steam was injected into the
pipe that created heat and pressure against the silicone bag and that was then transferred to the
uncured blank. This is a very simple version of their process that I am illustrating and for sure
it is a little more complicated than that with more fittings and regulators etc. The Silaflex blank
probably got sanded with a very fine grit sand paper because it didn't have the common cellophane
ridges. Rods that were made by wrapping blanks with cellophane to put pressure on the glass
prepreg and hold it together while in the oven came out of the cured with ridges.
The the ridges had to be sanded with a more course sand paper and sometimes it took some of the
glass off depending on the sanding personal. A person had to be welled trained to be a sander otherwise
tips of blanks would be breaking all over the place in the field. An unsanded blank is better than a sanded
blank when it comes to fatigue testing. The esthetics of an unsanded blank just won't sell them off the store shelves.
As I said previously my memory is deteriorating rapidly and I am trying my best to give a snapshot
of my recollections.


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Post 24 Aug 2023, 09:37 • #7 
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Conolon:

Thanks for putting your recollections down on paper, so to speak and sharing them here!!


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Post 24 Aug 2023, 11:23 • #8 
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Very interesting stuff that you do recall, Conolon. Thanks for taking the time to sort it out and post it for us.


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Post 24 Aug 2023, 17:48 • #9 
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Conolon, thanks for the interesting historical perspective. I’m impressed that you remember so many details.

I’m curious - when you worked with Conolon, which other rod companies did Conolon consider top competitors in the fly fishing market or were there any fly rod manufacturers at the time that stood out to you personally?


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Post 25 Aug 2023, 01:22 • #10 
Sport
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well as I recollect, no one was as big as we were.
I would have to say Fenwick was one of them but not to big at the
time. I new the person running the operation in Westminster California
where their assembly plant was. Cannot remember his name.
Their blank operation was up in Washington. Then there was Berkley
who was a lower end rod operation. When I set up the Kunnan rod factory
in Taichung Taiwan, I met their plant manager of the rod division and
also had drinks with the son's owner several times , his name was Tom Bedell.
I think he married one of the office girls at the Kennex factory which
was the main company that Kunnan ran under. Go to my site at
http://www.lymans.com and you see some more pics there. Shakespear was another low
end rod operation. Silaflex which was close to us and own by Browning was actually
a good quality rod company. I will be posting other stuff as I have time and
enough memory of the subject.
I finally remembered the person who was running the Fenwick operation in Westminster Ca..
He was Dave Myers.


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Post 25 Aug 2023, 07:46 • #11 
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Thanks for the link. Great information and history there on the technology and appreciation for all the people who made it happen, whether in the Board room or at the wrapping table.


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Post 25 Aug 2023, 19:33 • #12 
Sport
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30 years ago I probably remembered every name in the photos.


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Post 27 Aug 2023, 20:22 • #13 
Master Guide
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Location: Florida
Very interesting! Thanks for posting.


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Post 02 Dec 2023, 20:10 • #14 
Guide
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This is really interesting. From a outsider understanding, are the different actions the result of differences in thickness of the impregnated resin glass up the whole blank as it is being wrapped? Or more simply, does the wrap have different thicknesses at key pints to give rod the desired action?


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