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Post 03 Nov 2016, 16:20 • #1 
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I have a Fisher "original" 8' 5 weight graphite, that I love. Can't get enough of it. I have to convince myself that I "should" be taking a glass rod with me for this or that outing. But if I'm in the mood (do I hear Glenn Miller??) for 4 weight dry fly or light nymph work, I take the Fisher. So . . . which glass rod out there (vintage or new) would duplicate that action in a 7' 4 weight format?

Thanks!
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Post 03 Nov 2016, 21:00 • #2 
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Try an ff70 for a vintage rod. Those Fisher rods were fairly quick for their day.


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Post 03 Nov 2016, 22:26 • #3 
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I would suggest the Tom Morgan 7' 4wt. Another one would be a Barclay 70p. It's going to be different than the fisher or Morgan but it's as good a small stream 4wt as it gets.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 10:36 • #4 
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ff70 ? I am looking for a 7' rod, but is this a 4 weight?l

And as for being "fairly quick for their day," my experience of other people's rods made by Fisher (Scientific Angler System rods; Hardy JETs, some Leon Chandler Signature Cortlands) they WERE fairly fast. But my rod is really quite slow. Like the Winston rods have been described. I'm looking for just that slow, deep loading feeling in a 7' 4 weight.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 10:52 • #5 
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As Dusty suggested, the Morgans are pretty leisurely and have a nice flex. Altho I'd suggest looking at a 4wt since I think they are true to line weight.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 12:45 • #6 
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The Morgan will be true to weight but very pricey. If you can go up a weight, none are better than the Paddock 7'0" 5wt 2pc. A parabolic will be less suited to accurate or up close dry fly work as these two but will cast longer distances very well.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 15:38 • #7 
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Sounds to me like you already have what you are looking for. Why would you want a duplicate in a different material?


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 16:16 • #8 
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I'm looking for a 7 footer for those tight, closed-in streams in the Angeles Nat'l Forest and the San Bernardino Nat'l Forest in So. Cal. Eight footers are just too long; and if I'm going down in length, I'll skip the 7.5s and go all the way down to 7 feet.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 18:51 • #9 
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Peter,

Your actually asking a harder question than you realize. 7' 4wt's are not that popular right now. most new 7' glass rods are 3wt or less. Vintage glass rods are usually 5wt or more. If you really want a 7' 4wt,

Seele had one in this size and I'm sure Mike McFarland can make the blanks.
Chris Barclay 70P if you want parabolic, but it's not going to match the Fisher.
Fenglass 704 (a great bargain)
There are some inexpensive off-shore blanks (Jenkins/RusticRiver, KettleCreek-Riffle blank, and some others)
Kabuto 7033 or 7043

There are a lot more 7' 3wt's too choose from or 7'6" or larger 4wt's

Vintage rods are hard to come by in anything under a 4.
The FF70 is fast with a 4 and slow with a 6. The FF70-4 is a good 4wt.
There are a few Phillipsons that might fit the bill.
and if you can find a Cortland FR2000 7' rod, or a Cortland Crown in the 7' range, you might be really happy with it.

I'm sure I've left something out, but if I wanted one for a fishing trip today, I would get the Fenglass and not look back. If I wanted one 7' rod (for everything) I would get the Paddock 705, Personally I'm more likely to end up with a Barclay 70p, since I already have other 7' rods and Chris's Parabolic series rods are really nice.

I wonder why there aren't more 7' 4wt's around.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 20:53 • #10 
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Well the Fenglass should be listed as a 5 wt as far as I'm concerned. The Kabuto os should be listed a line wt heavier too. Many of the 7 2wt's and 3wts you mention are better with a 4 wt line too. Just because it says 3wt on the rod doesn't make it so. So there's probably more 4wts out there than it seems. The reason you don't see more 4 wts is because everybody wants a 3 wt for some reason so they rub out the 4 and put on a 3. Problem solved.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 21:14 • #11 
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Crusty,

I know the Barclay 7'2" 3wt is a 3wt rod in my hand. The Feelex 703 is also a slow 3wt. Besides Kabuto, what 7' 3wt's do you find to be a 4wt rod? Morgan, Scott? I'm just wondering.

As for the Fenglass 704, I cast it against a 70's era ff705 and the FG704 was definitely a lighter rod, and I find the FF705 right on.

To be honest, I already have too many 7' rods and 3wt rods. I don't see the fascination with 3wt rods or short rods.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 21:16 • #12 
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No idea how it would compare to the action of the Fisher you're trying to duplicate, but if you can go a bit beyond 7' Steffen offers his 3/4 in a 7'3" configuration. Also, the Redington Butterstick comes in a 6'6" 4 wt. I've never cast that model and didn't really care for the Buttersticks that I have, but I mention it given the comment above regarding the limited 7' options and perhaps you'd consider an even a shorter rod given your target waters.


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Post 05 Nov 2016, 22:09 • #13 
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If you could locate an older Fisher 7' 4 weight I think you would have what you're looking for. I have one and it casts exactly as you describe. It's "dreamy".


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 03:54 • #14 
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Hardy Fibalite or Jet 7' for 4wt.


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 06:36 • #15 
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Hardy 7,' Sceptre 7,' Fisher 7,' or SA System 4. All "Fisher" type rods because all are Fisher tech. Otherwise, give up the idea of comparable action--the feel won't be quite the same no matter what--and select from the good 4-weight glass the discussion is creeping towards
Twas me I'd want the Fisher 7, but the SA S4 is hard to argue with. Here, as described by Duff in a previous post along with his photo.

I absolutely agree that the System 4 is very fast and graphite-like. I sold a mint one a while back to a friend on the forum who knew what he was buying so was very happy with the fast action. To me it was a DT5 rod and I never thought the build quality warranted the high resale price. They were very expensive when new for that matter, selling for $95 when a Ferdinand Claudio trout rod was $90. I understand the 5 and 6 weights are more recognizable as glass.
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Post 06 Nov 2016, 08:28 • #16 
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A 7' Sceptre most versatile 7' Glass ever made in my opinion.
Will handle 3-6 weight lines with #4 or #5 being the sweet spot.
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Post 06 Nov 2016, 08:52 • #17 
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I agree 4/5 is the sweet spot. I built this one a few years back ---not a Sceptre, but a 7' Fisher. Essentially the same blank. For me it fished as a fast #4. I prefer fishing it as #5. But that's just me. If you like a quicker stick in glass format, I also suggest trying one of the Sceptres or Fishers.
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Post 06 Nov 2016, 08:56 • #18 
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I don't know. If a 5 wt is the sweet spot, that's the weight it is. I can cast a 2 wt line on a 9 wt rod but the sweet spot is a 9 wt.


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 10:28 • #19 
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Just another word of caution on buying an older rod looking for a specific weight line without a cast. I have a 7'6" Fisher blank rod that was sold to me as a 4. I use a 2 and nothing bigger than 16 dry. And a mention above of a FF70-4 as a 4 is not my experience; my hands, my FF70-4 is a 5/6 and mostly a 6.


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 10:47 • #20 
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no mention of a Steffen #4/5?

the Fishers, if anything, are pretty much always a straight "progressive" action on the quick side of medium for fiberglass.

Sounds like a Steffen to me.
(especially if lined with lighter of his dual line rating for the blank)


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 11:39 • #21 
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Corlay, I don't think Steffen makes 7 footers any more and only made one 4/5 that I know of but made a 3/4 and a straight 5 which was better as a 6, so a 5/6. I had him make my son a 7 foot 3 pc in between the 3/4 and the 5/6 and it came out to be a delightful 5 which I thinks is perfect for a versatile small stream rod. The closest current offering is probably a 7'3" 3/4. As you say though, that would be an excellent companion to a Fisher 8' 5wt and is probably a 4 wt as every Steffen I've cast did better with the heavier rating. The Steffen would also be about the least expensive for a high performance rod.


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 12:52 • #22 
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If you can find one a 7' 5pc. 4wt. Scott anniversary special or good in close and out to 50' and its a little fast great with rio gold 4,or get a Steffen.....aurelio


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 13:59 • #23 
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I agree with Carla original comment....the FF70 is one swEEEEEEEt 5wt.


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 14:28 • #24 
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I agree the FF70 is a sweet rod but of the dozen or so I've cast, every one has been a 6 wt and passable as a 5 wt.


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Post 06 Nov 2016, 14:48 • #25 
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I have a Steffen 2 piece 7' 3/4 and I can testify that it is a wonderful, truly progressive rod that I (surprise surprise) definitely like as a 4.


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