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Redsadie1
Post 26 May 2018, 12:54 • #1 
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I know that the Leonard Co. made glass rods using Phillipson blanks. Did any of the “old” Golden Age makers, Garrison, Payne, Carlson, etc. or others famous for cane rods do so?


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Post 26 May 2018, 12:56 • #2 
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I think Payne did for a short while. I'm not sure who was building their blanks though. The other makers you listed I'm not sure if they made trots on glass...
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Char Hunter
Post 26 May 2018, 14:10 • #3 
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Interesting thread on Payne glass:

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=11393
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whrlpool
Post 26 May 2018, 15:56 • #4 
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You would have to study it out more than I want to, but if you are asking about bamboo rodmakers and retailers in general, not just the more renowned names in retrospect, then many of the blue collar bamboo makers transitioned to fiberglass, some quite good. Three I can think of off the top of my head are Montague, Shakespeare, and H-I. That's just for starters, I'm sure. Depending how you define the "golden age," Winston would be in the high end niche that kept it goin' on with bamboo while gettin' it goin' on with fiberglass. Orvis, of course, as well. Walton Powell,maybe. I forget what he had for bamboo, if any.
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Hellmtflies
Post 26 May 2018, 16:39 • #5 
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Bill Harms does this currently.
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Bamboozle
Post 26 May 2018, 17:45 • #6 
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Walt Carpenter did.
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redietz
Post 27 May 2018, 06:13 • #7 
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whrlpool wrote:
Three I can think of off the top of my head are Montague, Shakespeare, and H-I.


Heddon.
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Hellmtflies
Post 27 May 2018, 07:15 • #8 
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Bamboozle wrote:
Walt Carpenter did.


Thanx, I forgot, I have one of Walt's glass rods. :)
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Post 27 May 2018, 14:48 • #9 
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I have some of Heddon's glass rods. I really like the Heddon Pal Pro weight #8381 7' 5 weight. Its definitely one of my go to panfish rods. Its also something you don't often see in vintage glass fly rods which is a fly rod in a line weight less then 6 WT.
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Redsadie1
Post 27 May 2018, 16:26 • #10 
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Any suggestions about where to look for a Walt Carpenter glass rod?
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Bamboozle
Post 27 May 2018, 18:34 • #11 
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I'd start with some of the better used classic tackle dealers.
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scud dog
Post 28 May 2018, 00:47 • #12 
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I own a Payne Fiberglass in a 7' length. It's light like a modern rod. It has a copper color ferule with a gasket ring. It also has a full cigar grip & wood spacer. The threads and locking rings are gold. The locking hood and end cap are black. I'm not sure if it's factory or someone's "clusterfix". It's certainly odd having copper, gold, black metal all on one rod. The guides and stripper are blued. It's certainly "Frankenstein-esque". Hookeeper has a ring. The rod has eight guides plus a tip top and stripper. It's certainly atypical for a 7' rod of it's era. It has someone's name on the blank, custom order. That may well explain some of the unusual features.
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Post 28 May 2018, 06:30 • #13 
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Scud Dog,
Do you have any pictures of that Payne fiberglass fly rod?
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RMorrison
Post 29 May 2018, 01:24 • #14 
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whrlpool wrote:
.. Walton Powell,maybe. I forget what he had for bamboo, if any.


Bamboo where was Walton Powell started and it was the one material he built rods with throughout his rod building days.
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Whitefish Press
Post 29 May 2018, 14:53 • #15 
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South Bend made the fly rods for Payne. All of the big cane rod companies that survived the war introduced glass rods at some point, it was pretty much a matter of survival. Leonard-Payne-Orvis-Powell-Winston-Thomas & Thomas were the last of the bigger "high end" bamboo companies and all sold glass in addition to cane, but as mentioned Heddon closed its bamboo shop in 1953 in order to concentrate on glass, South Bend discontinued cane in the late 1950s, Union Hardware dropped their line of bamboo in 1950, Horrocks-Ibbotson in the mid-1950s as well.

A few of the small shop cane guys sold glass; Paul H. Young and Gene Edwards come to mind. But most hand-plane shops of the 1950-1975 era -- Gillum, Dickerson, Andrew Kull, Sam Carlson -- as far as I know didn't get into glass.

As for makers after 1980, many of them dabbled in graphite and glass, as they will sheepishly admit.

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