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Post 10 Dec 2017, 17:11 • #1 
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I've been sorting through my rods, trying to select some rods to sell and I realized I have quite a few 7' 6" Phillipsons. I thought I would post a mini comparison between the one's I've had out in the back yard recently. It is based on casting over a brief period of time when no fishing was involved, so take it for what it is.

R76 (Royal, Eponite, 50's era tobacco glass) This is a great rod, and compares well against the other classic 50's era rods. The looks are distinctive with the red and green wraps over tobacco glass. I consider this a good 6 or 7wt rod. It will cast either, but this rod is very nice when it loads a bit deeper so I would say it is a better 7wt rod. It does have a bit of tip bounce.

Johnson Profile 400 (4F76). This is another Eponite blank, but painted a mustard yellow. It is also a 6/7 wt rod. This rod is a wonderful fast action 6wt rod, it casts as good as any 7'6" graphite rod, but it is heavier. I noticed no tip bounce that the R76 had. With a 7wt line on it, this rod loads a bit deeper, but it still isn't a slow rod. If you look at the old post: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52258&p=232504 you will see other opinions that this rod might want a bit heavier line than the 6wt it's rated at.

G-MF76 (Green wraps on the Master, yellow, Scotchply with the metal ferrule). This rod is a fun rod to cast with both a 6wt and 7wt line. It loads deeper than the Profile 400 and is lighter, but it is slower and doesn't throw as tight a loop, but is a better roll cast and is more "fiberglassy" with a deeper bend. It seems like it should throw a lighter line, but it really isn't a 5wt.

DF76 (Deluxe, red blank with metal ferrule). This rod looks like the Master with a different paint job, but is a different taper. It is even slower and might cast a 5wt line (I didn't try it). If you slow down, it is fun with the 6wt line. It is even more limber than the master, and required a bit more slowing down.

The fickle nature of fiberglass is one that makes me hesitate to choose a favorite. As far as fishing tools go, the Johnson Profile 400 would be my choice if I wanted to fish a wide variety of locations/techniques. (and the R76 was a close second). However the Scotchply blanks are lighter and more fun to cast.

Today it was the G-MF76 that just put a smile on my face. Though I'm sure that it would be a different rod on a different day.

I didn't have a Glass (sleeved) ferrule 7' 6" or a spigot ferruled 3-m rod or a Epoxite to compare.

Does anyone else have a favorite Phillipson in this size?

[Edit: changed the references to Epoxite to scotchply per the update below.]


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Post 10 Dec 2017, 17:57 • #2 
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C,

are you sure about the blank types for these models.

I thought all Johnson rods were on ‘Scotch-Ply” blanks, not “Eponite”
and thought “Epoxite” came after the metal ferruled Masters?


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Post 10 Dec 2017, 18:13 • #3 
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Profile 400 was Eponite (printed on the blank and on the wiki). Profile 600 and Profile 800 were Scotchply.

I'm not sure about the G-MF76 and the Deluxe. I thought it said Epoxite on the rods, but I just checked and don't see it.
Going back to old posts. You are right. I will update the original post.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4826#p30064


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Post 10 Dec 2017, 18:58 • #4 
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I have three 7'6" Phillipsons., a G-MF76L HEH #5 Line, a glass ferruled Beans Double L #6 Line and a Johnson Profile 8F76LC Uniglass # 6. I've never done a side by side comparison on these 3 but I like fishing all three a full line class down from recommended with a dt line. The Master I don't like at all with a 5 line, I'd consider it more of a good 4 wt dry fly rod, the Beans LL I feel far over gunned for the small creek water that a short rod is best suited for IMM. Same deal goes for the Johnson Profile and it's just too pretty of a rod to beat around chasing mountain cutthroat.

I really should take time some decent day to do a full side by.


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Post 11 Dec 2017, 09:16 • #5 
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My buddy has the 5-wt Registered for his only glass rod.

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Post 11 Dec 2017, 13:50 • #6 
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i have the johnson 800.metal reel seat.like the post above,too pretty for the type of fishing i do.i have a 7'0 fly fox that was well used when i bought it and is my favorite rod to fish.with the small eagle claw hardy clone it is a really light rig that i can cast all day.think i caught 9 warmwater species last year with it.a roll casting machine IMHO


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Post 11 Dec 2017, 14:35 • #7 
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I own a Phillipson DF76 "Swamp Fox". It is a favorite glass rod. It is slow but very smooth. It feels like casting a fine bamboo rod to me. I have the reel loaded with Cortland's 444 "Sylk" DT5 line.


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Post 11 Dec 2017, 19:28 • #8 
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My 7'6" Phillipsons are the Royal Wand #6 and a HDH/#6 Abercrombie and Fitch "Yellowstone".
The Royal Wand has a glass ferrule and a soft tip. It shines with a 5wt line. It's a sweetheart. I imagine it was prized for how it handles lighter tippets back in the days before 3wts and 4wts became popular. I've been using a Barrio Mallard DT5 on a new Medalist 56. It's good and versatile for how I fish.
The A&F is good with a 6wt line and a Shakespeare Beaulite reel. It has some pop. It gets streamer duty. A work horse kinda rod.


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Post 12 Dec 2017, 07:37 • #9 
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something to note about soft tips is they give you control and accurate casting when fishing in close.

Casting distance is often over-rated in fly fishing, though this, too is a quality of Phillipson rods.


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Post 12 Dec 2017, 11:00 • #10 
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I can't quite say I never cast a Phillipson I didn't like but close. I forgot one rod in my above post. I also have a Phillipson/3M Master MF76 that gives me a case of mehs everytime I try to find a line that it likes.


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Post 12 Dec 2017, 12:22 • #11 
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as a rule, I find both 7' and 8' Phillipsons superior to the 7'6"


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Post 12 Dec 2017, 16:38 • #12 
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7 1/2' Swamp Fox is probably nicest Phillipson I can ever remember casting. Of course most of the Orvis Golden Eagles on Phillipson blanks are wonderful.

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Post 13 Dec 2017, 00:08 • #13 
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GRASSNGLASS wrote:
7 1/2' Swamp Fox is probably nicest Phillipson I can ever remember casting. Of course most of the Orvis Golden Eagles on Phillipson blanks are wonderful.

Barry

+1 of the Swamp Fox. It's my dedicated smallie rod as of right now.


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Post 14 Dec 2017, 19:41 • #14 
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I only have one in this length - a Phillipson Eponite P76 HDH 3 3/4 oz. DRY FLY, hammer handle grip - tobacco glass most refer to it as. To me, it is a moderate action really nice DT6 rod, and a very capable rod for Smallmouth and flies in #2 size and smaller. It also roll casts well and will bring a T-130 to the surface nicely.


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Post 14 Dec 2017, 21:30 • #15 
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What amazed me when casting 4 different rods was how they were similar but all distinct. When I cast Fenwick 8' 6wt's I find them very similar and they run together. The Phillipson's were all distinct. I really was expecting the Master and Deluxe to be the same, but they weren't.


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Post 15 Dec 2017, 07:24 • #16 
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Bill Phillipson never quit working with his tapers. My 8' Expert 6-wt is a most remarkable rod. Ditto on the DFS 8' 5-wt.


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Post 15 Dec 2017, 09:28 • #17 
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Probably--I don't know this but I think one of you will--another change that resulted in different feel along with the use of different mandrels/tapers, was the fiber-to-resin ratio. I seem to recall that the later rods used a lighter composite formulation and coating than the earliest Phillipson's. I'm thinking that would change the more bamboo-like self-loading feel to a "crisper" feel, if nothing else because the blank itself was lighter. Just not sure, but users may know just experientially if not technically.


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Post 15 Dec 2017, 10:38 • #18 
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The only 7'6" Phillipson I decided to keep over the years is the Master in 4pc. About as fine a vintage 6wt in any length as one will find and highly packable.


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Post 21 Dec 2017, 00:00 • #19 
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My only Phillipson is a 7'6" Registered Epoxite for a 5wt or 6wt. It looks just like the picture Bulldog posted above with two tips. It is a great caster with some backbone if needed. Anybody have any other observations about this rod? I have not fished it much...maybe it is because of the presence of the second tip...ominously hinting that I may need it some day.


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Post 21 Dec 2017, 08:45 • #20 
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I believe if that Registered Epoxite is marked as being for a #5 or 6 line then the tip sections are different. One tip is a 5 wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is the rod a Phillipson/3M? There is one for sale on Rick's Rods website right now.


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Post 22 Dec 2017, 08:19 • #21 
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here's my buddy Ewell putting his to work

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Post 22 Dec 2017, 22:20 • #22 
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Taeke wrote:
I believe if that Registered Epoxite is marked as being for a #5 or 6 line then the tip sections are different. One tip is a 5 wt and the other is a 6 wt. Is the rod a Phillipson/3M? There is one for sale on Rick's Rods website right now.


Thank you for this great input. I just checked the rod and those tips are, ever so slightly, of different diameters. It is clear that you are correct, and yes, the rod is a Phillipson/3M. Thank you.


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Post 22 Dec 2017, 23:17 • #23 
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You are most welcome. I had a bit of a Phillipson collection at one time and still am on the hunt for a couple of specific types of Registered Midges.

Merry Christmas


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Post 16 Aug 2019, 09:16 • #24 
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I know it's old, but on the 4 piece rod, what model did you like and have?


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Post 21 Aug 2019, 15:51 • #25 
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I have always had a soft spot for the Registered Epoxite
6’6” rod. There just seems to be something special about it.


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