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Our rods and reels
Post 16 Jul 2015, 07:36 • #1 
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These are the rods my son and I fish with:

Mitchell Conolon 8'5" #5/6 with Mitchell 710 Automatic reel
Fliege Ziel 71, no other markings but much stiffer then the one above, reel ABU Diplomat 178
Arca Arlux 2270 i suppose a #5/6 with Daiwa 230 reel

All 3 bought for 85Euro
If possible I would gather more info/history about the Fliege Ziel 71 and the Arca rod, can't find anything on internet.

David

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Post 16 Jul 2015, 09:30 • #2 
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David, thanks for showing. Especially interesting is the fliege ziel 71. Could it be a home built rod? The over sleeve ferrule reminds of the Berkley glass tip over ferrule blanks. I have a Daiwa 230 that I sometimes like using on my 7.5' Cortland FR2000. Nice reel with a fixed clicker that has a soft low register purr!

Where in Europe are you located? and happy fishing.


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Post 16 Jul 2015, 18:39 • #3 
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David,
Welcome to the forum. Sorry I can't help on the rods but I had the same first impression that the fliege ziel looks like a custom build. Maybe some of our European members will chime in.


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Post 18 Jul 2015, 04:35 • #4 
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I'm from Belgium Europe and I bought the Fliege from a guy in Halle, Germany.
If you want I can post more pictures of the Fliege, just tell me what you want to see in detail.

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Re: Our rods and reels
Post 18 Jul 2015, 18:52 • #5 
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Fliege Ziel is a discipline in fly casting accuracy during casting competitions I believe.
A competitor stands on a small platform and has 5 minutes to hit 5 water filled targets of 60cm circumference placed from 8-13 meters from the platform. Each target must be hit in a pre determined sequence.
Could be this rod was designed for the discipline, may have been a one off or limited run for a certain competitor, could be custom built and could have been made for an event held in 1971?

Either way, you have a nice collection of vintage rods and reels. Welcome to the fold.


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Post 18 Jul 2015, 19:47 • #6 
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Interesting. Does "fliiege ziel" translate literally? And what does it mean? It sounds German?


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Post 18 Jul 2015, 20:30 • #7 
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picketpin52 wrote:
Interesting. Does "fliiege ziel" translate literally? And what does it mean? It sounds German?


Translated it is "Fly Accuracy" and yes, Fliege ziel is German.


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Post 18 Jul 2015, 20:37 • #8 
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DavidS that rod is intriguing more so, knowing the meaning of the inscription. Have you any idea or its age? Blank maker? Rod builder? As I said earlier, the over sleeve looks like some of the Berkley rods I've seen. That same type sleeve was also used on early graphite blanks.


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Post 18 Jul 2015, 23:59 • #9 
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Foulproof guides - interesting.


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Post 19 Jul 2015, 00:53 • #10 
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As i stated earlier, I bought the rod through ebay Germany from a man in Halle, Germany. Halle is a city in former East-Germany, near Leipzig. Other marks then Fliege Ziel 71 can't be found on the rod. The top part of the rod is longer then the bottom part: 148 cm (54.2") and 117cm (46.0") Mounted the rod measures 260.5cm (102.5" or 8.5')
Funny enough the Mitchell Conolon has an oversleeve too. About the Mitchell, it was build in the '70s, conolon was an improved glasfiber, I was told.

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Post 19 Jul 2015, 02:02 • #11 
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You are perfectly right, Fliege Ziel (Ziel means target) is a disciplin in fly casting competitions -- the other is Fliege Weit (weit means far) i.e., accuracy and distance. In the days of the former DDR and ancient glasrods the Casting People usually made their own casting tools -- so it's not unlikely that this rod is one of these.
Jürgen


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Post 19 Jul 2015, 02:23 • #12 
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Jurgen, is it somehow possible to put a date on this rod?

David


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Post 20 Jul 2015, 13:28 • #13 
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the Fliege Ziel looks custom to me too - the handle shape is unusual, the wrappings look like a good home builder..
would have guessed a Conolon blank of some kind just from the finish, but the ferrule is unfamiliar so not certain.

I have several of those Abu Diplomats, like them a lot - the silent retrieve and low-key click outgoing, are appealing. Caught a steelhead and some big carp to 20lb or so on them..


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Post 20 Jul 2015, 18:29 • #14 
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It does have that DDR look of something that someone put together because nothing else was available.

Not pretty, but it probably fishes well.


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Re: Our rods and reels
Post 20 Jul 2015, 18:36 • #15 
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So did Conolon have a "finger in the pie" all around the World when it came to glass rolling factories?
They set up the first (and only for a long time) factory in New Zealand in 1968. The company still exists in the Kilwell brand, but back in the day the rods were labelled Kilwell/Abu/Conolon.

Speaking of Abu, yes, I agree with Doug. The Diplomat is an excellent reel, especially those 1 series made by Abu and not in Asia. Mind you the Asian reels are pretty damn nice as well.


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Post 21 Jul 2015, 06:54 • #16 
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All that has been said is correct. This rod is probably custom built for casting competitions that were indeed quite popular in the German Democratic republic at the time. That your rod comes from Halle would be proof for that incl. the very low grade cork used for the handle. The blank is very probably a DDR-made blank. They indeed had a, compared to the rest of the world, rather low grade production of fishing rods and equipment. Having said that I am inclined to guess that they turned out the one or the other really excellent rod for sports/casting purposes as sports and winning prizes and beating the West was very important for the Socialist regime. Your rod might fall into that higher quality category who knows.


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Post 21 Jul 2015, 07:40 • #17 
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Speaking about glass rods made in DDR...the most widespread brand was Germina. I know some guys who still use old Germina spin rods...indestructible stuff. :-)

Googled some pics and here you go:

http://www.mrk.cz/muskareni?id=3&page=6374


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Post 21 Jul 2015, 10:15 • #18 
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doug in co wrote:
I have several of those Abu Diplomats, like them a lot - the silent retrieve and low-key click outgoing, are appealing. Caught a steelhead and some big carp to 20lb or so on them..

The original Diplomat was made in Switzerland in two sizes. It is an excellent reel, advanced for its time and outstanding value from the beginning. And tough, I've caught Coho and, yes, even Mahseer on my 178. I still carry one for back up.

It was also sold as the Zebco Cardinal in the USA, and badged that way tends to sell for very little, so excellent value for reel or spare spools.


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Post 24 Jul 2015, 02:44 • #19 
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Catched my first trout ever with a flyline the Ziel fliege did her job :)

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Post 24 Jul 2015, 03:04 • #20 
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David, well done.
May that be the first trout of many that you and the Ziel fliege land.


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Post 25 Jul 2015, 05:52 • #21 
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DavidS wrote:
Jurgen, is it somehow possible to put a date on this rod?

David

answering out of turn, the foulproof guides date the rod to late '50s, early '60s.


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Post 25 Jul 2015, 06:41 • #22 
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bulldog1935 wrote:
DavidS wrote:
Jurgen, is it somehow possible to put a date on this rod?

David

answering out of turn, the foulproof guides date the rod to late '50s, early '60s.


so the ABU 178 isn't that much out of range in age :)


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Post 08 Sep 2015, 14:08 • #23 
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I was a competitor at the national and international level for a number of years. when " fly skish"1st was cast. an short cut g.b.g. silk and a heavy leader of 6.5ft was the outfit cast . the fly had to float on delivey. a 9' glass rod in the heavy side was used. I used a sila flex. medallion 9'. with 1 inch off the tip.
as the games progressed with the communist "C.I.P.S." culture , they used single hand dis fly line in the 1-1/4 oz area. we were casting on grass at 30"pans of water and the fly did not float.

don't know the rod in question but might be an old glass schreck" from new ulm, Ger. it would have to fit the size I spoke of. my 1st international on the u.s team was in kiel in 1962-63 as I remember. if stiff enuff it would have been in use at that tournament, what color the spigot ferrul is would help a lot.

cheers

jjw

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Post 09 Sep 2015, 04:49 • #24 
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jjw wrote:
I was a competitor at the national and international level for a number of years. when " fly skish"1st was cast. an short cut g.b.g. silk and a heavy leader of 6.5ft was the outfit cast . the fly had to float on delivey. a 9' glass rod in the heavy side was used. I used a sila flex. medallion 9'. with 1 inch off the tip.
as the games progressed with the communist "C.I.P.S." culture , they used single hand dis fly line in the 1-1/4 oz area. we were casting on grass at 30"pans of water and the fly did not float.

don't know the rod in question but might be an old glass schreck" from new ulm, Ger. it would have to fit the size I spoke of. my 1st international on the u.s team was in kiel in 1962-63 as I remember. if stiff enuff it would have been in use at that tournament, what color the spigot ferrul is would help a lot.

cheers

jjw

good luck

Indeed it is a stiff rod, i compaired it with a brandnew 9' #7 Abu Garcia by hanging same weigth at the tippet. The Abu bend over the complete length while the Fliege Ziel only bend a little bit in the tip. The Fliege Ziel is also not 9' but 8'53" long
About the spigot ferrule, i'll took some new pictures.

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